[quote=radiomast][quote=Thitifini]

Urban migration should not be a bad thing. This can free up productive land for bigger and more profitable farms.

Then mechanization of agriculture to increase efficiency and make our products competitive (we stop cultivating 1acre things with njembes).

Then the urban migration could be used for processing the products and in the longer term as industrial workforce.


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These are just pipe dreams. There aren't enough jobs for people to go to in the cities and towns.

And farm sizes wont increase even if people leave the villages. Kenyans are so obsessed with owning land that even if someone owns a small plot, he will not sell it[/quote]

"Urban" can be created anywhere. The problem we have is we think it has to be in one or 2 shitholes

[quote=Thitifini]meanwhile JPM says birth control for the lazy. He has a point, though...[/quote]

He has a point in ujinga.

Having many children is hard work. The days of having child labor to farm shambas is long gone. The people who want many children are few and Magufuli and his catholic brain washing should not force his ujinga on others.

His stupidity will set TZ back the same way Nyerere set them back!

Idiotism is rife in Tanzania!!

[quote=tycho]When thinking about this, please remember that Adam Smith- like thinking and capitalism can no longer hold.

We need new economic and political thinking, and our creations need not be on the 'developed countries' examples.

At the moment the most scarce resource is humanity. In fact when we look at global suicide rates and try to find reasons for them we get evidence against present schools of thought.

The present generation owes something to the coming ones, and they only owe the duty to sustain and propagate humanity, ethically and physically. So far we're doing much of the latter and less of the former, and that's the tragedy.[/quote]
I like your point about thinking that being developed is being like the US r Singapore, we cab create our own development that suits our culture and environment, a quick example, the street lights we do them like developed countries with control boxes at low reach they get vandalized, my solution would be to place them higher away from opportunistic thieves .

[quote=tony stark][quote=2012]Is it just me or is Kenya's population growing too fast? Just a few years ago, we were 20m. Now I hear we are 51m??

Is this a good or bad thing?[/quote]
It's just you!!
Total fertility rate is 3.7 latest Kenya demographic survey. Highest Total fertility rate was 8 in the 70s.

The growth will continue to happen because of the huge base but the growth has reduced massively.

Total fertility rate in places like Kirinyaga is as low as 2.5 and this is the fertility rate in well managed developed countries. [/quote]
Do not be too excited and happy about fertility rate lower than 2.5 as being developed. I quoted below in October 07, 2009 here

[quote]Look at it differently. I read a report on the world's changing demographics:
- According to research,in order for a culture to maintain itself for more than 25 years,there must be fertility rate of 2.11 children required per family
- With anything else,the culture will decline
- Historically,no culture has ever reversed a 1.9 fertility rate
- A rate of 1.3,impossible to reverse because it would take 80-100 years to correct itself and there is no economic model to support it
- In other words if two sets of parent each have one child.
- If those children have one child,then there is 1/4 as many grandchildren as grandparents
- If 1 million children born now,it's hard to have 2 million adults in the workforce in 26 years time
- As population shrinks,so is the culture
- Fertility rate across the entire Europe is mere 1.38!
- Historically,these numbers are impossible to reverse[/quote]

[quote=Kusadikika]Mimi sioni shida. There is no problem in Kenya. We will develop or fail to develop and progress at our own pace and it is OK either way. You cannot have change without changing the people.

People forget that the most obsessed countries with "maendeleo" were the countries of the former USSR. I doubt there is any one leader in the world who achieved more "maendeleo" than Joseph Stalin during his 30 year rule. Cities would be built from scratch in the most inhospitable places, whole populations relocated thousands of miles away and millions killed. Go ask Russians whether they were happy and celebrating because of the "maendeleo". Right now Stalin has become more popular in Russia because most of those he traumatized have died and the young people can enjoy the maendeleo. I have no desire to be praised by anyone 60 years from now. I have adapted to kwenda na matatu, kukwama kwa jam, kuruka mitaro ya sewage, kuoga na basin, kutumia choo ya nje etc. I am not suffering by living this way so why should I be compelled to suffer real hardship of relocation or forced labor so that some future generation can have more conveniences?[/quote]