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#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:13:39 PM
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nanfor1 wrote:
Murenj, your topic is totally lacking in timing. Really bad timing.Shame on you Shame on you

However,

For those screaming blasphemy.

I think murenj is questioning the ability of one Pastor Kariuki to have the power to heal. Not God.

I for one would not count on the pastors on that podium healing a scratch on my little finger.

By the way, you have stated that Tancredo died from stomach ailments. that is the medical view.

There are those like you who think it was because he said something blasphemous in your opinion. Others think it was stomach ailments due to infections.

So question remains, can the said pastor heal or not? If he can't then why does he, as murenj put it, "offer a bad product"?

I still think the topic is in bad taste considering the period.



quote for me any pastor in the world who heals.................Only God who can heal and thats why most of us pray to Him for healing.

It is sad if you thought any of the pastors at uhuru park heals or healing is one of their products. The God who they serve is the one who heals.
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murenj
#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:19:45 PM
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@SIMON KABZ, copy that.
@tmatekwa, copy that,
@newfarere, copy that.
I do not intend to disrespect God's servants.My only problem is that some have become so overconfident bordering on arrogance.when Apostle Ng'ang'a was so quick to apportion blame, and cursed the perpetrators instead of praying for their conversion, and when Bishop Mark Kariuki uttered falsehood in Kakamega, and when a tele evangelist yesterday denied to the press that the Church leaders have appropriated blame, then, Kenyans have a reason to get worried
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nanfor1
#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:21:48 PM
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Fundah, you are falling into a murenj trap that was set from the beginning.

You say that Tancredo died because of blasphemy. I say it was because of stomach ailments.

If you say that he died because of blasphemy, then murenj is right that whatever happened was ordained by God so it was a good thing.

That is the trap murenj has been setting all along on this post and you all fell for it by calling him blasphemous.

As for the pastors, I know I am not alone when I think that there are many "pastors" who are part of the false prophets brigade that Jesus talked about.

I think it is the epitome of blasphemy to say you have the power to heal...... but not too much..Especially if there are people dying near you.

Trust me fundaah, I do believe in the power to heal. However, I am very particular about where it should come from. God.

Not some guy with a 1000 bob "anointing oil" made from the tap. Sorry, but that's my opinion. I am also not imputing that the said pastors are fake....it's just that actions do speak louder than words.
Hata wakizima taa
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Fundaah
#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:42:08 PM
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well, well ....Murenj and Nanfor....I also know and I'm warned by the Bible that there are false prophets (but this is for the almighty God ...who Nanfor1 and I believes ... to Judge .....
Matthew 7:1-5 -Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.)

God has a ready Judgment for false prophets

Ezek 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD
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Since we ....Nanfor ...murenj and Fundaah are all in the Yes camp.....the only thing we can do is to convince these God's prophets/'prophets'.. to buy our Product .....the 'Draft' for now....and overcome their fears by educating them on how good the Draft is .....leave any Judgement to the Mighty one...No need to fight them ..or..humiliate them....Let just persuade them to join our camp .....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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nanfor1
#25 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:54:12 PM
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I totally agree with you. That is why I thought the post though having merit was still in the wrong forum and time.

You used the word "humiliate", which was the word I could not get to describe the murenj first post.

As for judging, I think that it is impossible to live without judging. Maybe someone messed up in the translation from Arameic to english and used judging. I think condemn is the proper term.

Humans have to judge. I choose to go to one church and not another because I have judged one congregation to be best suited for me. However, I don't condemn anyone for going to the other congregation.

I feel murenj needs to apologise for attempting to humiliate those that believe in these pastors.
Hata wakizima taa
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youcan'tstopusnow
#26 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:20:59 PM
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murenj does not need to apologize for anything. All those pastors and bishops are fake and only looking to deceive the people for their own benefit. If you ask me, rolling with the likes of ruto (hatujasahu Kiambaa watoto wakichomwa) is the real blasphemy. Shetani akija pande zote kanyaga. Washindwe
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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tmatekwa
#27 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:29:32 PM
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I have no problem with the timing of this post. Some victims are asking themselves the same questions, why God allowed it to happen. They need councelling, and no amount of theology is going to bring healing. We might as well face up to the reality that this event may cause some believers will backslide when they miss to find satisfactory answears to their inner questions
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B.Timer
#28 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:52:12 PM
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Safe for his tone, and risk of sounding apathetic to the suffering of the victims, I dont see any other problem in @Murenj's thread.

That is why I agree with @nanfor initial post here, never mind that he is retreating on being pressured by @ fundah.

Pastors who forever proclaim the ability to heal through bla bla bla, infact have family Doctors on call to see them and their family.
It is down right hypocritical of them then, to ask the holloi polloi to come before them for healing.
They should rather direct all sick cases to medical Doctors as they do with themselves.

PS; This is not meant to disrespect the christianfolk though.
Dunia ni msongamano..
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African
#29 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 8:04:38 AM
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murenj wrote:
Sad Sad Sad seems that there are no answers forthcoming. right? all i get is intimidation et al.......
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
JUST ADMIT IT.GOD DOES NOT APPROVE OF 'NO' CAMP.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly



Can you show that God approves the 'Yes' camp?

You seem to be a religious fanatic misusing religion. I am not a religious fanatic. In fact I am not a christian. But let me ask you a christian question:

According to the bible, Jesus suffered in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights. Did that mean God did not approve of Jesus. Also, according to the bible, Jesus was nailed on the cross with humiliation until he died. Does that mean God did not approve of Jesus?

Who are you to dictate how God should act when He approves of something?
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tuvok
#30 Posted : Friday, June 18, 2010 9:32:21 AM
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Why do bad things happen to 'good' people?:

http://www.carm.org/ques...ings-happen-good-people
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