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Okoth Obado Case
maka
#121 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 12:53:08 PM
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2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


Walijijazia...Whoever they were....
possunt quia posse videntur
Obi 1 Kanobi
#122 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 1:46:31 PM
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maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo.

This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
tycho
#123 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 2:14:57 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo.

This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up.


I don't think Oyamo was placed at the scene of crime by the journalist.

Why do we trust the journalist(s) so much by the way?

An angle is being, and has been advanced from the start. Why that angle and not others? For example, '26 yo university student', how do the journalists decide that's the proper reference in this case?

I doubt this is how Sharon introduced herself to the journalist.

Anyway, it's a difficult thing to be human. We get justice when we rise to humanity, and this is a most puzzling matter.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#124 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 2:27:52 PM
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tycho wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo.

This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up.


I don't think Oyamo was placed at the scene of crime by the journalist.

Why do we trust the journalist(s) so much by the way?

An angle is being, and has been advanced from the start. Why that angle and not others? For example, '26 yo university student', how do the journalists decide that's the proper reference in this case?

I doubt this is how Sharon introduced herself to the journalist.

Anyway, it's a difficult thing to be human. We get justice when we rise to humanity, and this is a most puzzling matter.


The crime scene starts from the point of Kidnap, and yes, I think the journo has a fairly plausible story, or rather its consistent and logical.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
tycho
#125 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 2:54:59 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
tycho wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo.

This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up.


I don't think Oyamo was placed at the scene of crime by the journalist.

Why do we trust the journalist(s) so much by the way?

An angle is being, and has been advanced from the start. Why that angle and not others? For example, '26 yo university student', how do the journalists decide that's the proper reference in this case?

I doubt this is how Sharon introduced herself to the journalist.

Anyway, it's a difficult thing to be human. We get justice when we rise to humanity, and this is a most puzzling matter.


The crime scene starts from the point of Kidnap, and yes, I think the journo has a fairly plausible story, or rather its consistent and logical.


I'm not sure about the crime scene. And I don't think I know when it became a kidnap from a shared ride.

Consistency and logic? I suspect these have to do with specific elements of law, rather than personal expectations.

But you could be correct in your thinking.
hardwood
#126 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 3:16:29 PM
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If the main suspect is not arrested then wananchi should carry out a citizens arrest to ensure that justice is done.
murchr
#127 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 4:12:13 PM
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2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#128 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 4:21:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse


That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial...
possunt quia posse videntur
murchr
#129 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 4:38:00 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse


That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial...


I did not say forced anywhere. And why should we believe what this lawyer and his clients are telling us? When you sip coffee you leave your saliva on that cup....that can be used to analyze your DNA (si ni mate tu wanataka) I believe a smart detective can do this for their internal investigation so that they can determine if it is necessary to officially source for a formal test.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#130 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 5:05:35 PM
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murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse


That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial...


I did not say forced anywhere. And why should we believe what this lawyer and his clients are telling us? When you sip coffee you leave your saliva on that cup....that can be used to analyze your DNA (si ni mate tu wanataka) I believe a smart detective can do this for their internal investigation so that they can determine if it is necessary to officially source for a formal test.


Now you are on the right path... Whatever they did before was wrong...


Assuming they were taking his DNA because of the charge relating to the alleged sexual offence/s (remember used condoms at scene)

*Section 36* of the  *Sexual Offences Act* provides;

“(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 26 of this Act or any other law, where a person is charged with committing an offence under this Act, the court may direct that an appropriate sample or samples be taken from the accused person, at such place and subject to such conditions as the court may direct for the purpose of forensic and other scientific testing, including a DNA test, in order to gather evidence and to ascertain whether or not the accused person committed the offence

It is presupposed an order is required....
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kaka2za
#131 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 5:06:10 PM
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The gullible believed that this was open and shut case.

I reiterate that Justice is not equivalent to truth. Establishing truth is harder than creating doubt.
The accused just has to create reasonable doubt and walks free.

Remember OJ Simpson ?
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
murchr
#132 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 5:18:59 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse


That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial...


I did not say forced anywhere. And why should we believe what this lawyer and his clients are telling us? When you sip coffee you leave your saliva on that cup....that can be used to analyze your DNA (si ni mate tu wanataka) I believe a smart detective can do this for their internal investigation so that they can determine if it is necessary to officially source for a formal test.


Now you are on the right path... Whatever they did before was wrong...


Assuming they were taking his DNA because of the charge relating to the alleged sexual offence/s (remember used condoms at scene)

*Section 36* of the  *Sexual Offences Act* provides;

“(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 26 of this Act or any other law, where a person is charged with committing an offence under this Act, the court may direct that an appropriate sample or samples be taken from the accused person, at such place and subject to such conditions as the court may direct for the purpose of forensic and other scientific testing, including a DNA test, in order to gather evidence and to ascertain whether or not the accused person committed the offence

It is presupposed an order is required....


I did not dispute any of that. Just pointing out a fact.

You leave your DNA everywhere, in restaurants, on your bedding, in your bathroom etc. If the police want to test a narrative INTERNALLY they will collect samples from your cups, etc to test their theory before going to court. Once in court its up to the judge to agree or disagree, they also could establish that a certain narrative is not true and choose to either pursue or not pursue a course.

I do not believe Michael was the murderer, infact we are all working with assumptions because he has not been charged yet, but it is very possible he aided in Sharon's murder.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Jump-steady
#133 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 5:26:33 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
The gullible believed that this was open and shut case.

I reiterate that Justice is not equivalent to truth. Establishing truth is harder than creating doubt.
The accused just has to create reasonable doubt and walks free.

Remember OJ Simpson ?


I was one of them, i confesssmile

Now i feel like i should eat my socks. How can Oyamo say that he is also a victim of kidnapping Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

That it was Obado's wife behind the killing for she couldn't accept having a co-wife. Mrs Obado worked with Oyamo and the Journalist to deliver poor Sharon to the killers.

Open and shut case indeedd'oh!

mkenyan
#134 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 6:23:59 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
maka wrote:
obiero wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape.

Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here


Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...Sad


What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA?


You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse


That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial...


I did not say forced anywhere. And why should we believe what this lawyer and his clients are telling us? When you sip coffee you leave your saliva on that cup....that can be used to analyze your DNA (si ni mate tu wanataka) I believe a smart detective can do this for their internal investigation so that they can determine if it is necessary to officially source for a formal test.


Now you are on the right path... Whatever they did before was wrong...


Assuming they were taking his DNA because of the charge relating to the alleged sexual offence/s (remember used condoms at scene)

*Section 36* of the  *Sexual Offences Act* provides;

“(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 26 of this Act or any other law, where a person is charged with committing an offence under this Act, the court may direct that an appropriate sample or samples be taken from the accused person, at such place and subject to such conditions as the court may direct for the purpose of forensic and other scientific testing, including a DNA test, in order to gather evidence and to ascertain whether or not the accused person committed the offence

It is presupposed an order is required....

1. it says that the court may direct. nowhere else does it expressly prohibit the taking of dna sample without the order of the court;
2. the dna samples may not necessarily have been taken because of the sexual offense (remember she allegedly fought back -fingernails etc; and
3. like murchr has said above nothing would stop the polic from taking such samples and then later on asking for the court to give an order for samples to be taken which this time may be used in the trial.
this dna thing is merely the advocates playing to the gallery, trying to create a narrative and trying to shift public opinion. you can see the effect of the same even herein wazua.
hardwood
#135 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 8:00:20 PM
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This is the reason migori needs to have its own "Hessy wa Migori" to mete out instant justice to killers and criminals instead of us being subjected to all the upus am reading here.
Lolest!
#136 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 8:03:23 PM
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Miguna Miguna wrote:
The most basic question anyone investigating a crime must ask is this: Who stands to gain most out of this story? In the Sharon Otieno murder tragedy, the person who stands to gain most is not Okoth Obado. It is Ochilo Ayacko. With Obado tainted, Ochillo wins unopposed. Let us think critically like human beings with functioning brains.
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hardwood
#137 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 8:07:51 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Miguna Miguna wrote:
The most basic question anyone investigating a crime must ask is this: Who stands to gain most out of this story? In the Sharon Otieno murder tragedy, the person who stands to gain most is not Okoth Obado. It is Ochilo Ayacko. With Obado tainted, Ochillo wins unopposed. Let us think critically like human beings with functioning brains.

Seems the Canadian cold has frozen his brain.
2012
#138 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2018 9:07:30 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Miguna Miguna wrote:
The most basic question anyone investigating a crime must ask is this: Who stands to gain most out of this story? In the Sharon Otieno murder tragedy, the person who stands to gain most is not Okoth Obado. It is Ochilo Ayacko. With Obado tainted, Ochillo wins unopposed. Let us think critically like human beings with functioning brains.


The governor should be in custody. He may not be guilty but he is a key suspect if not tge key suspect who could interfere with investigations. Ochilo might be the biggest beneficiary but the governor is a key suspect who even claimed to know Sharon well. But I agree with you that this is already too politicized now after watching that Sonko clip.

BBI will solve it
:)
kaka2za
#139 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:12:35 AM
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Stranger things have happened.

We live in a country where Dr Jason Ndaka Kaviti, the former Chief Government Pathologist, claimed that Robert Ouko shot himself in the head,broke his own leg with a blunt object then set himself on fire.

Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
murchr
#140 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:47:06 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Stranger things have happened.

We live in a country where Dr Jason Ndaka Kaviti, the former Chief Government Pathologist, claimed that Robert Ouko shot himself in the head,broke his own leg with a blunt object then set himself on fire.



That was then, 1990. In 2018, the Govt pathologist Johansen Oduor.

Quote:
Dr Oduor said the post-mortem had revealed that Ms Otieno was stabbed eight times, with one stab entering the body from the back and piercing through the abdomen, killing the seven month foetus.

The results also revealed bruises on Ms Otieno’s body suggesting that she had struggled with her killers.

Dr Oduor also said there was a possibility that she was raped before being brutally murdered, explaining the presence of used condoms at the scene of her murder in Kodera forest, Migori County.


From the grapevine, it is said that Obado now wants to blame the wife....saying that she couldn't stand having a co-wife and so she organized and sent Obado's PA to carry arrange for her killing.
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