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2012 wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene...  What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA? Walijijazia...Whoever they were.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo. This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo. This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up. I don't think Oyamo was placed at the scene of crime by the journalist. Why do we trust the journalist(s) so much by the way? An angle is being, and has been advanced from the start. Why that angle and not others? For example, '26 yo university student', how do the journalists decide that's the proper reference in this case? I doubt this is how Sharon introduced herself to the journalist. Anyway, it's a difficult thing to be human. We get justice when we rise to humanity, and this is a most puzzling matter.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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tycho wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo. This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up. I don't think Oyamo was placed at the scene of crime by the journalist. Why do we trust the journalist(s) so much by the way? An angle is being, and has been advanced from the start. Why that angle and not others? For example, '26 yo university student', how do the journalists decide that's the proper reference in this case? I doubt this is how Sharon introduced herself to the journalist. Anyway, it's a difficult thing to be human. We get justice when we rise to humanity, and this is a most puzzling matter. The crime scene starts from the point of Kidnap, and yes, I think the journo has a fairly plausible story, or rather its consistent and logical. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:tycho wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... I don't think the police need his permission to take his DNA, they already have probable cause as he was placed at the scene of crime by the journo. This case is simple open and shut, if the cops cock it up, then they really are part of the cover up. I don't think Oyamo was placed at the scene of crime by the journalist. Why do we trust the journalist(s) so much by the way? An angle is being, and has been advanced from the start. Why that angle and not others? For example, '26 yo university student', how do the journalists decide that's the proper reference in this case? I doubt this is how Sharon introduced herself to the journalist. Anyway, it's a difficult thing to be human. We get justice when we rise to humanity, and this is a most puzzling matter. The crime scene starts from the point of Kidnap, and yes, I think the journo has a fairly plausible story, or rather its consistent and logical. I'm not sure about the crime scene. And I don't think I know when it became a kidnap from a shared ride. Consistency and logic? I suspect these have to do with specific elements of law, rather than personal expectations. But you could be correct in your thinking.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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If the main suspect is not arrested then wananchi should carry out a citizens arrest to ensure that justice is done.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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2012 wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA? You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:2012 wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA? You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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maka wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA? You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial... I did not say forced anywhere. And why should we believe what this lawyer and his clients are telling us? When you sip coffee you leave your saliva on that cup....that can be used to analyze your DNA (si ni mate tu wanataka) I believe a smart detective can do this for their internal investigation so that they can determine if it is necessary to officially source for a formal test. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:maka wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:hardwood wrote:PA now says he was also kidnapped with Sharon and the chonolist and that he also managed to escape. Damn. Its now his word against the journalist. And I do not believe the journalist for one minute.. A lie detector would be helpful here Watching the preliminary arguments...Oyamo might also go scot free... They took DNA samples from Ayamo without Court orders and in the abscense of his counsel...Well his DNA does not match anything on the scene... What madness? So, who ordered or gave them permission to take his DNA? You leave your DNA everywhere, on cups you use, that hair that falls off etc. Police can collect this even before requesting for a sample officially. This is a lame excuse That is self incrimination you cannot be forced. Whatever you are talking about will be unprocedural and wont be used in the trial... I did not say forced anywhere. And why should we believe what this lawyer and his clients are telling us? When you sip coffee you leave your saliva on that cup....that can be used to analyze your DNA (si ni mate tu wanataka) I believe a smart detective can do this for their internal investigation so that they can determine if it is necessary to officially source for a formal test. Now you are on the right path... Whatever they did before was wrong... Assuming they were taking his DNA because of the charge relating to the alleged sexual offence/s (remember used condoms at scene) *Section 36* of the *Sexual Offences Act* provides; “(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 26 of this Act or any other law, where a person is charged with committing an offence under this Act, the court may direct that an appropriate sample or samples be taken from the accused person, at such place and subject to such conditions as the court may direct for the purpose of forensic and other scientific testing, including a DNA test, in order to gather evidence and to ascertain whether or not the accused person committed the offence It is presupposed an order is required.... possunt quia posse videntur
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