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Equity bank collapse: Impact...
simonkabz
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:23:00 AM
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@mv,have u really addressed my querry or myself? Re-read my post and answer as it is. This arises fm the frequent bashing of the mega bank by some of us to an xtent of branding it a ponzi. Just looking 4 sober views on likely consequences.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:44:00 AM
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Two posts on Equity,is there something we need to know..........

healthy,impact on collapse.......


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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:53:00 AM
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Impact? Catastrophic! The panic that would grip the small account holders would be overwhelming. I've always wondered what happens when a bank that was holding your hard earned 20 million bob goes down. Does your money disappear just like that or will it be refunded by DPF and in what percentage if not 100%? Anyone?

@Thimioni: Don't waste your time trying to indulge some people here. Those of us who understand your querry are being objective!


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Kamaa
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:59:00 AM
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@ mv

you are right...

we have been here for long and it is easy to read mischief in some contributions....

in another thread someone said that EB is a ponzi...

even though anything can happen,i know some of us 'makarerera kioro'

you've heard me..
When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend
BAAK
#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:10:00 AM
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The bulk of EB&rsquo;s income is commission based (commission charged on services),Most other Bank&rsquo;s income is interest based (interest based on loan)..EB operates on a large volume,low margin model,most other Banks operate on low volume,high margin model. Thus the approach between the two is almost like oil and water,there is no need for direct comparison. To the degree that each &lsquo;keeps enticing&rsquo; its turf,the income is assured. There is absolutely no need for competitors to make posts here about EB being a Pyramid schemes here so as to instil fear in its clients&hellip;.Please spare the energy by improving your services and thus keep the Clients you already have..

On the other hand,no one has come up with concrete proof why EB is Ponzi,so am I now permitted to give proof why EB is not Ponzi? Let&rsquo;s learn from history&hellip;.Those banks which collapsed previously in Kenya did so because of political interference..i.e. Govt deposits money today,the following day,a corrupt crook goes to the same bank and takes the whole amount deposited yesterday as loan&hellip;and offers a govt property as security&hellip;So when this guys fails to pay,what happens to the bank? In this day and age,such corrupt deals have no place&hellip;so count such possibilities out.. or Is there any other bank which collapsed in Kenya other than for such reasons? Someone with details please step out and tell us!!

Finally EB has 50% accounts and thus reflects the face of Kenya more than any other bank,so if they were to collapse,Kenya and other Banks would have collapsed earlier!! But Kenya will not collapse!!!I hope this puts the matter to rest
mukiha
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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@BAAK
Kenya Finance Bank collapsed for other reasons...not political patronage

Your comment that Equity gets most of its earnings from commissions is not accurate: look at the figures for 2008:


Interest earned from loans = 6.2b
Commissions earned [excluding those charged on loans loans] = 3.3b
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simonkabz
#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:38:00 AM
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Wapi TB? I bet u r asleep by now bt would love to see his contribution based on baak's post wen u wake up. @sasha,thanx siz

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BAAK
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:52:00 AM
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Mukiha,am afraid you are grossly mistaken on this..and taking my post out of context...The issue is..what is the percentage of EB&rsquo;s profits from commission as a percentage of the total profits&hellip;and what is the percentage for other banks..

and what led to collapse of the bank you have mentioned? Was it quoted on the exchange? Please also draw paralles btwen EB and the bank you mentioned so that we can compare well&hellip;let&rsquo;s not compare EB with one man show miniature banks,or tiny banks owned by families
mukiha
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:20:00 AM
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@BAAK

Don't get me wrong; I am not comparing KFB to Equity. You asked for the name of bank that did not collapse for political reasons,and I gave you one!

KFB was quoted on the NSE (I was the prouder owner of a couple of thousand shares at the time it collapsed). It was previously known as Kenya Finance Corporation...those old enough will remember it as the sponsor of The Proffesional View on KBC.

KFB collapsed in the aftermath of Goldenberg: They were one of the biggest players in financing purchase of Matatus (the others were NIC though not very keen on matatus). Whe the economy went to ICU courtesy of Goldenberg,interest rates shot to the moon (I recall buying TBs at 71%!!!)

KFB responded by increasing its interest rates on loans to 45%....the borrowers could not service the high payments and defaulted...enmass...The bank was left with many matatus and parcels of land that it could not sell...remember,the economy was dead!

Crazy large depositors rejected proposals to convert their deposits into equity....The DPF is still liquidating the assets....15 years later!

Perhaps I should change my screen-name to 'Mzee-wa-Kazi'

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BAAK
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:03:00 AM
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Mukiha,Thanks for your latest post,which indirectly confirms my earlier statement that were EB to fall,Kenya Economy and some other banks &lsquo;mostly the small struggling ones&rsquo; would have collapsed much earlier! There will be enough warning if this were to happen. Bye,I consider this matter settled.
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