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Sanlam Kenya FY18
Pesa Nane
#1 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2018 8:19:18 PM
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Fyatu
#2 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2018 8:28:32 PM
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The first firm to use the interest rate cap as an excuse for poor performance and hence zero dividend/no capital gain for the long suffering wanjiku...ladies and gentlemen this line will be milked dry FY 2018. Watu wapambane na hali zao.
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Wakanyugi
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:37:03 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
The first firm to use the interest rate cap as an excuse for poor performance and hence zero dividend/no capital gain for the long suffering wanjiku...ladies and gentlemen this line will be milked dry FY 2018. Watu wapambane na hali zao.


There is some grain of truth in the excuse. The low tier banks are the ones likely to suffer most from interest capping and the tiers ones to benefit the most.

It is a vicious catch 22:

(1) Small banks lose the capacity to market (mostly consumer) loans to risky sectors - profitability declines and a few of them shut down. Tier ones pick up the pieces

(2) A stampede results from the above as depositors move their money to so called 'safe' banks. Tier ones benefit

(3) In a desperate effort to survive, some tier 3 and 4 consolidate, sell off to strategic investors or become conduits for the entry of Multinational banks. Tier ones (KCB) pick up some juicy properties on the cheap

Either way the Mwangi's, Muriukis and Oigara's are sitting pretty. Oigara was once quoted as saying 'Cap or no Cap, the [big] banks will be OK..." He knew what he was saying

And the CBK Governor seem to have long given up his argument that small banks should be defended because they serve niche markets that the big ones don't. He has made barely a peep as the move to raise capital requirements is reintroduced. You recall the earlier effort was shelved at his insistence.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
lochaz-index
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:28:18 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
The first firm to use the interest rate cap as an excuse for poor performance and hence zero dividend/no capital gain for the long suffering wanjiku...ladies and gentlemen this line will be milked dry FY 2018. Watu wapambane na hali zao.


There is some grain of truth in the excuse. The low tier banks are the ones likely to suffer most from interest capping and the tiers ones to benefit the most.

It is a vicious catch 22:

(1) Small banks lose the capacity to market (mostly consumer) loans to risky sectors - profitability declines and a few of them shut down. Tier ones pick up the pieces

(2) A stampede results from the above as depositors move their money to so called 'safe' banks. Tier ones benefit

(3) In a desperate effort to survive, some tier 3 and 4 consolidate, sell off to strategic investors or become conduits for the entry of Multinational banks. Tier ones (KCB) pick up some juicy properties on the cheap

Either way the Mwangi's, Muriukis and Oigara's are sitting pretty. Oigara was once quoted as saying 'Cap or no Cap, the [big] banks will be OK..." He knew what he was saying

And the CBK Governor seem to have long given up his argument that small banks should be defended because they serve niche markets that the big ones don't. He has made barely a peep as the move to raise capital requirements is reintroduced. You recall the earlier effort was shelved at his insistence.



Agreed. Parliament is unwittingly cheerleading the banking sector into an oligopoly by demonising and attempting to cap banks profits instead of dealing with interest rates and guess who will lose out eventually...wanjiku and the economy. Secondly, the idea of capping lending to govt will lead to capital outflows that the KE economy can ill afford at this time.
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Wakanyugi
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 12:12:14 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
The first firm to use the interest rate cap as an excuse for poor performance and hence zero dividend/no capital gain for the long suffering wanjiku...ladies and gentlemen this line will be milked dry FY 2018. Watu wapambane na hali zao.


There is some grain of truth in the excuse. The low tier banks are the ones likely to suffer most from interest capping and the tiers ones to benefit the most.

It is a vicious catch 22:

(1) Small banks lose the capacity to market (mostly consumer) loans to risky sectors - profitability declines and a few of them shut down. Tier ones pick up the pieces

(2) A stampede results from the above as depositors move their money to so called 'safe' banks. Tier ones benefit

(3) In a desperate effort to survive, some tier 3 and 4 consolidate, sell off to strategic investors or become conduits for the entry of Multinational banks. Tier ones (KCB) pick up some juicy properties on the cheap

Either way the Mwangi's, Muriukis and Oigara's are sitting pretty. Oigara was once quoted as saying 'Cap or no Cap, the [big] banks will be OK..." He knew what he was saying

And the CBK Governor seem to have long given up his argument that small banks should be defended because they serve niche markets that the big ones don't. He has made barely a peep as the move to raise capital requirements is reintroduced. You recall the earlier effort was shelved at his insistence.



Agreed. Parliament is unwittingly cheerleading the banking sector into an oligopoly by demonising and attempting to cap banks profits instead of dealing with interest rates and guess who will lose out eventually...wanjiku and the economy. Secondly, the idea of capping lending to govt will lead to capital outflows that the KE economy can ill afford at this time.


Nevertheless this is one time when allowing market forces to play out might be beneficial to Wanjiku, despite the long term risk of creating behemoths 'too big to fail.'

The massive investments in process reform and technology that the big banks have made has enabled them to shrug off the impact of Caps and continue to make huge profits. Wanjiku and the wider economy are the ultimate beneficiaries here - one reason I support the ongoing consolidation. The likes of Sanlam and even Family Bank, with their small and shaky capital bases, would be hard pressed to make such investments and should be taken over.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Angelica _ann
#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 12:56:37 PM
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Why are we discussing Sanlam Kenya as a bank?
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Horton
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 1:00:44 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Why are we discussing Sanlam Kenya as a bank?


Yeah I don’t get the “rate cap angle” to the profit warning here
Thiong'o
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 2:05:04 PM
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Horton wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Why are we discussing Sanlam Kenya as a bank?


Yeah I don’t get the “rate cap angle” to the profit warning here


Not a bank.
The firm is using the interest rate cap to explain its poor performance in financial services and investment return.
Impact on financial returns for small firms (banks or not) as @Wakanyungi explains above remain same.
obiero
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 2:08:14 PM
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Thiong'o wrote:
Horton wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Why are we discussing Sanlam Kenya as a bank?


Yeah I don’t get the “rate cap angle” to the profit warning here


Not a bank.
The firm is using the interest rate cap to explain its poor performance in financial services and investment return.
Impact on financial returns for small firms (banks or not) as @Wakanyungi explains above remain same.

Everything is connected. Even your current balance in the wallet right now is somehow tied to the cap

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lochaz-index
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 28, 2018 2:36:30 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
The first firm to use the interest rate cap as an excuse for poor performance and hence zero dividend/no capital gain for the long suffering wanjiku...ladies and gentlemen this line will be milked dry FY 2018. Watu wapambane na hali zao.


There is some grain of truth in the excuse. The low tier banks are the ones likely to suffer most from interest capping and the tiers ones to benefit the most.

It is a vicious catch 22:

(1) Small banks lose the capacity to market (mostly consumer) loans to risky sectors - profitability declines and a few of them shut down. Tier ones pick up the pieces

(2) A stampede results from the above as depositors move their money to so called 'safe' banks. Tier ones benefit

(3) In a desperate effort to survive, some tier 3 and 4 consolidate, sell off to strategic investors or become conduits for the entry of Multinational banks. Tier ones (KCB) pick up some juicy properties on the cheap

Either way the Mwangi's, Muriukis and Oigara's are sitting pretty. Oigara was once quoted as saying 'Cap or no Cap, the [big] banks will be OK..." He knew what he was saying

And the CBK Governor seem to have long given up his argument that small banks should be defended because they serve niche markets that the big ones don't. He has made barely a peep as the move to raise capital requirements is reintroduced. You recall the earlier effort was shelved at his insistence.



Agreed. Parliament is unwittingly cheerleading the banking sector into an oligopoly by demonising and attempting to cap banks profits instead of dealing with interest rates and guess who will lose out eventually...wanjiku and the economy. Secondly, the idea of capping lending to govt will lead to capital outflows that the KE economy can ill afford at this time.


Nevertheless this is one time when allowing market forces to play out might be beneficial to Wanjiku, despite the long term risk of creating behemoths 'too big to fail.'

The massive investments in process reform and technology that the big banks have made has enabled them to shrug off the impact of Caps and continue to make huge profits. Wanjiku and the wider economy are the ultimate beneficiaries here - one reason I support the ongoing consolidation. The likes of Sanlam and even Family Bank, with their small and shaky capital bases, would be hard pressed to make such investments and should be taken over.


You are contradicting yourself. Caps gagged the market forces thereby choking small banks and will lead to consolidation which in turn breeds an oligopoly capable of strong arming even the govt.

The proposed ammendments(again intended to gag market forces) will definitely lead to capital outflows at which point parliamentarians will probably come up with another piece of legislation to stem the hemorrhage. Where are the market forces you allude to if you are busy trying to legislate economics?

Wanjiku hasn't/won't be/been afforded credit so how exactly does she benefit from such an arrangement while she is scrapping capital from fintechs, shylocks and the likes at a higher rate than the one banks used to give before the caps?
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