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When we had good leaders....
hardwood
#1 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 4:10:33 PM
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How did we end up with the Duales and Murkomens?





AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 5:06:34 PM
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What an irony! Both the k1ller and the k1lled in the same page?
hardwood
#3 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:21:33 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
What an irony! Both the k1ller and the k1lled in the same page?


I believe you mean Mboya and JahRamogi. They were enemies in nyanza coz mboya was Jomo's right hand man.
AlphDoti
#4 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2018 9:31:31 AM
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hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
What an irony! Both the k1ller and the k1lled in the same page?

I believe you mean Mboya and JahRamogi. They were enemies in nyanza coz mboya was Jomo's right hand man.

I mean Mb0ya and J0m0...
Lolest!
#5 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2018 12:56:55 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
hardwood wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
What an irony! Both the k1ller and the k1lled in the same page?

I believe you mean Mboya and JahRamogi. They were enemies in nyanza coz mboya was Jomo's right hand man.

I mean Mb0ya and J0m0...

It's a common held belief that Jomo killed Tom. Highly unlikely that the belief is factual

Hint: Jomo had suffered a heart attack in 1968
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tycho
#6 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2018 2:44:31 PM
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The leaders we have today are a crop of the seeds planted by the founders.
radiomast
#7 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2018 9:49:04 PM
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Jomo Kenyatta and his inner circle killed all the good leaders of that era Pinto, Ngala, Mboya, JM, Karumba and others. No real investigation ever happened.

He also sidelined and humiliated Oginga, Kaggia, Shikuku, Oneko, Muliro and others.

Moi for his part likely killed Ouko, Muliro and also anyone related to the Ouko inquiry such as Philip Kilonzo.

They created a culture where sycophancy and theft of public resources thrived.


hardwood
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:02:39 AM
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radiomast wrote:
Jomo Kenyatta and his inner circle killed all the good leaders of that era Pinto, Ngala, Mboya, JM, Karumba and others. No real investigation ever happened.

He also sidelined and humiliated Oginga, Kaggia, Shikuku, Oneko, Muliro and others.

Moi for his part likely killed Ouko, Muliro and also anyone related to the Ouko inquiry such as Philip Kilonzo.

They created a culture where sycophancy and theft of public resources thrived.




Wrong. Mboya was Jomo's closest friend and right hand man. However JahRamogi wasn't happy with that since at the time he had fallen out with Jomo. Also note that Mboya was KANU secretary general with Jomo as chairman while Jahramogi was in the opposition KPU fighting kanu, Jomo and Mboya. No way Jomo could have harmed Mboya, his closest and most trusted lieutenant.










hardwood
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:24:42 AM
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The Jaramogi vs Mboya political wars. It is mboya as KANU secretary general who finished Jaramogi politically. Mboya was Odinga's enemy no 1.

https://www.the-star.co....wo-superpowers_c1162563

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The intense political rivalry between Jaramogi, then Vice President of the country, and Kanu, and Mboya, the party's secretary general, played out in many platforms, one being the infamous delegates conference at Limuru as a display of wits and power.

The delegates resolution to abolish the party vice presidential post was the first in a series of dress rehearsals for the reversals in Jaramogi's political fortunes.

Eight vice presidential positions were created and held by among others, those who lived to succeed the ailing President Jomo Kenyatta, Daniel arap Moi and his successor Mwai Kibaki. They were named vice presidents in the Rift Valley and Nairobi, respectively, and the duo assumed power when Kenyatta died in 1978.

To add insult to injury, Mboya initiated a constitutional amendment to halt the exodus of Jaramogi's parliamentary sympathisers to his newly founded opposition party the Kenya Peoples Union. The few who dared cross the floor were subjected to a by-election, according to the amended clause that compels a parliamentarian who changes parties to seek fresh mandate from the electorate. Out of the 27 defectors, only nine made it back to Parliament.
hardwood
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:29:34 AM
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https://www.nation.co.ke...7700-11jfjhf/index.html

Daily Nation wrote:
The perceived rivalry between former Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Nairobi Governor Evans Kidero rekindles memories of bad blood between the doyen of Kenyan opposition politics Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, Mr Odinga’s father, and the late politician Thomas Mboya who is Dr Kidero’s late father-in-law.

The two were not the best of friends with the senior Odinga seeing Mr Mboya as over mixing with the government of President Jomo Kenyatta. They often engaged in supremacy wars over who exactly was the leader of the Luo people, with Mr Mboya often dismissed as being a Suba and not Luo.
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