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SA: Seizing land from white farmers
masukuma
#91 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 11:26:51 AM
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Watu hawajui AGRICULTURE IS A CULTURE... you don't come from a family of miners to do agriculture.
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hardwood
#92 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 12:57:45 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Im suggesting you do it without crashing production and your currency.


Of what use are "production and currency" matters to a black guy who is hungry, jobless and landless? Such maneno only matter to his white master whose grain or tobacco stores are full and the markets are strong.


A sudden currency devaluation would hit low income earners the hardest.


You'd rather briefly suffer when you are on your own 20 acres than continue with the status-quo ie being landless and living in the townships/slums/farm-workers quarters with no hope for the future.


About that, who exactly gets the land and what size? Black "élites" or everybody?


In kenya who got the land?
hardwood
#93 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:07:51 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Watu hawajui AGRICULTURE IS A CULTURE... you don't come from a family of miners to do agriculture.


The zulus and others were farming crops even before the mines were discovered. Agriculture also includes keeping animals and African communities always kept huge herds even before the white man came into the scene. There is no difference between a mzungu herder (he prefers to be called a "rancher") with 1000 animals and a zulu herder with his 1000 animals.

Oxford dictionary wrote:
Agriculture is the cultivation of land and breeding of animals and plants to provide food, fiber, medicinal plants and other products to sustain and enhance life.
tinker
#94 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 1:58:55 PM
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hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


By the way, the issue in Satafrika is about unoccupied land, more of what we call absentee land lord. This means the Boers will continue with their farming/production as is, may be minus the farmhand who will now be land owners as well.
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Baratang
#95 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 2:15:19 PM
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hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Watu hawajui AGRICULTURE IS A CULTURE... you don't come from a family of miners to do agriculture.


The zulus and others were farming crops even before the mines were discovered. Agriculture also includes keeping animals and African communities always kept huge herds even before the white man came into the scene. There is no difference between a mzungu herder (he prefers to be called a "rancher") with 1000 animals and a zulu herder with his 1000 animals.

Oxford dictionary wrote:
Agriculture is the cultivation of land and breeding of animals and plants to provide food, fiber, medicinal plants and other products to sustain and enhance life.


@hardwood..perhaps before telling us how great a farmers the black south Africans were and are, you might need to dig into the history of the four main communities (Zulu, Xhosa, Ngoni and the Khoi San (bushmen)) in South Africa just before 1450 AD. This might help you to correct your argument.smile
Obi 1 Kanobi
#96 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 5:23:36 PM
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Baratang wrote:
hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Watu hawajui AGRICULTURE IS A CULTURE... you don't come from a family of miners to do agriculture.


The zulus and others were farming crops even before the mines were discovered. Agriculture also includes keeping animals and African communities always kept huge herds even before the white man came into the scene. There is no difference between a mzungu herder (he prefers to be called a "rancher") with 1000 animals and a zulu herder with his 1000 animals.

Oxford dictionary wrote:
Agriculture is the cultivation of land and breeding of animals and plants to provide food, fiber, medicinal plants and other products to sustain and enhance life.


@hardwood..perhaps before telling us how great a farmers the black south Africans were and are, you might need to dig into the history of the four main communities (Zulu, Xhosa, Ngoni and the Khoi San (bushmen)) in South Africa just before 1450 AD. This might help you to correct your argument.smile


I am with Hardwood here, the issue of utilisation and productive use of land will come later, for now its about historical injustices, let those wazungu's migrate to Australia and Canada and settle there and grow those white economies, and let the south Africa be left to its original owners to do with as they please even if it means collapsing the economy.

The white farmers did not and will never give the 2,500 blacks food for free, the blacks have to buy and when you are not gainfully employed, then even the money to buy the food will not be available.
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Kusadikika
#97 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 6:13:35 PM
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It is not about doing a better job with the land. No!!! That cannot and should never be the point. Watu wapewe haki yao.

The situation in Namibia is even worse. There is a community of 30,000 Germans in Namibia who own 44% of the country. When Namibia got independence they were basically conned the way we were conned only worse because one of the clauses was that land is private, even water is private in Namibia. The black people own nothing at all there.
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