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Ericsson
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:12:56 PM
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https://www.centralbank....0Revised%20Proposal.pdf

IMPERIAL BANK LIMITED (IN RECEIVERSHIP)
EXPRESSION OF INTEREST –REVISED PROPOSAL
Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) and
Kenya Deposit Insurance Corporation (KDIC)
announce the receipt of a revised proposal from one of the selected bidders with respect to Imperial Bank Limited (In Receivership) (IBLR), as part of the Expression of Interest (EOI)process announced on October 13, 2017
Press Release
. Following the announcement of the receipt of the initial proposals on April 13,2018
Press Release,CBK and KDIC went back to the two selected bidders which has resulted in the revised proposal.
The revised proposal was received from KCB Bank Kenya Limited (KCB), while the other bidder has withdrawn from the process. Having assessed the revised proposal, CBK and KDIC will engage KCB in discussions aimed at maximizing the value for depositors.
CBK and KDIC will provide further details to stakeholders at the appropriate time.
CBK and KDIC reiterate their commitment in keeping with their respective mandates and
in accordance with the Laws of Kenya,to protect the interest of depositors, creditors, and
the wider public interest.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:23:14 PM
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:11:27 AM
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Kcb bank kenya got tired of waiting for NBK and decided to pursue other alternatives.
The bidder that dropped out was DTB
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KulaRaha
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:08:48 AM
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Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:48:10 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Kcb bank kenya got tired of waiting for NBK and decided to pursue other alternatives.
The bidder that dropped out was DTB

I can understand why DTB bid for Imperial given the market segment DTB and Imperial were in BUT of what benefit is Imperial to KCB?

As for NBK, without the "favored son" concessions, what value does NBK bring to KCB?
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:23:34 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.



There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting

As it is KCB has deep pockets
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:34:45 AM
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Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.


There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting >>> Weren't many of IBL's large loans to shady firms and insiders.

As it is KCB has deep pockets >>> That's irrelevant. Why pay for garbage?

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Ericsson
#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:57:40 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.


There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting >>> Weren't many of IBL's large loans to shady firms and insiders.

As it is KCB has deep pockets >>> That's irrelevant. Why pay for garbage?



@vvs always sees everything evil in what KCB does.
The good book will be taken by KCB while the bad one remains with KDIC
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Horton
#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:05:29 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.


There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting >>> Weren't many of IBL's large loans to shady firms and insiders.

As it is KCB has deep pockets >>> That's irrelevant. Why pay for garbage?



@vvs always sees everything evil in what KCB does.
The good book will be taken by KCB while the bad one remains with KDIC



Investment shouldn’t be emotional @VVS
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KulaRaha
#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:21:21 PM
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Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.



There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting

As it is KCB has deep pockets


IBL good loan book is tiny...that's why DTB didn't buy despite the target customer being the same.

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mlennyma
#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:36:14 PM
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Let me just hope kcb has used the best financial brains to do the due diligence
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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:37:53 PM
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Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.


There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting >>> Weren't many of IBL's large loans to shady firms and insiders.

As it is KCB has deep pockets >>> That's irrelevant. Why pay for garbage?



@vvs always sees everything evil in what KCB does.
The good book will be taken by KCB while the bad one remains with KDIC


Investment shouldn’t be emotional @VVS

@ericsson has nothing better to do but look for conspiracies. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Again, I ask... what does KCB see in IBL?
What's the size of the "good" book that IBL has?
Why spend time/resources trying to buy a tiny (clean) book vs their current portfolio?

Deep pockets doesn't mean one should waste money. Think like Warren Buffett who has skin in the game.
An example is how the useless board of Unga justified the purchase of Ennsvalley from the Ndegwas.
Another is KQ's board and managers who pushed hedging and Project Mawingu.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Ericsson
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:43:12 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.


There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting >>> Weren't many of IBL's large loans to shady firms and insiders.

As it is KCB has deep pockets >>> That's irrelevant. Why pay for garbage?



@vvs always sees everything evil in what KCB does.
The good book will be taken by KCB while the bad one remains with KDIC


Investment shouldn’t be emotional @VVS

@ericsson has nothing better to do but look for conspiracies. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Again, I ask... what does KCB see in IBL?
What's the size of the "good" book that IBL has?
Why spend time/resources trying to buy a tiny (clean) book vs their current portfolio?

Deep pockets doesn't mean one should waste money. Think like Warren Buffett who has skin in the game.
An example is how the useless board of Unga justified the purchase of Ennsvalley from the Ndegwas.
Another is KQ's board and managers who pushed hedging and Project Mawingu.


You are always screwed in the companies you invest in.
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:06:58 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Word is KCB was "forced" to make a bid since no one wanted Imperial.


There we go shooting in the dark again........IBL has good loan book. I guess this is what KCB is targeting >>> Weren't many of IBL's large loans to shady firms and insiders.

As it is KCB has deep pockets >>> That's irrelevant. Why pay for garbage?



@vvs always sees everything evil in what KCB does.
The good book will be taken by KCB while the bad one remains with KDIC


Investment shouldn’t be emotional @VVS

@ericsson has nothing better to do but look for conspiracies. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Again, I ask... what does KCB see in IBL?
What's the size of the "good" book that IBL has?
Why spend time/resources trying to buy a tiny (clean) book vs their current portfolio?

Deep pockets doesn't mean one should waste money. Think like Warren Buffett who has skin in the game.
An example is how the useless board of Unga justified the purchase of Ennsvalley from the Ndegwas.
Another is KQ's board and managers who pushed hedging and Project Mawingu.


You are always screwed in the companies you invest in.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly It's all good. As long as I am OK with it Applause Applause Applause
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KulaRaha
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:09:02 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Let me just hope kcb has used the best financial brains to do the due diligence


VituVingiSana wrote:
Again, I ask... what does KCB see in IBL?
What's the size of the "good" book that IBL has?
Why spend time/resources trying to buy a tiny (clean) book vs their current portfolio?


Arm twisting rather than due diligence.

Else DTB would have bought easily if the good book was worth the effort.

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Ebenyo
#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:04:57 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Kcb bank kenya got tired of waiting for NBK and decided to pursue other alternatives.
The bidder that dropped out was DTB



NBK or Chase bank could have been valuable.I dont really think if imperial bank will be valuable to kcb investors.The npls were too high.But i trust Oigara judgement.
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Ericsson
#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:15:02 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Kcb bank kenya got tired of waiting for NBK and decided to pursue other alternatives.
The bidder that dropped out was DTB



NBK or Chase bank could have been valuable.I dont really think if imperial bank will be valuable to kcb investors.The npls were too high.But i trust Oigara judgement.


Did you read the report which stated how much money is needed to recapitalise NBK?
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Ericsson
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:14:51 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Kcb bank kenya got tired of waiting for NBK and decided to pursue other alternatives.
The bidder that dropped out was DTB

I can understand why DTB bid for Imperial given the market segment DTB and Imperial were in BUT of what benefit is Imperial to KCB?

As for NBK, without the "favored son" concessions, what value does NBK bring to KCB?


DTB may bid for Dubai bank
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Ebenyo
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:06:44 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Kcb bank kenya got tired of waiting for NBK and decided to pursue other alternatives.
The bidder that dropped out was DTB



NBK or Chase bank could have been valuable.I dont really think if imperial bank will be valuable to kcb investors.The npls were too high.But i trust Oigara judgement.


Did you read the report which stated how much money is needed to recapitalise NBK?


https://www.google.co.ke...w0UdXemnmlJNUjUVDpvhqyj

kshs 4.2 billion.This was not much.
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KulaRaha
#20 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2018 6:58:08 PM
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Seems the KCB offer isn't really an offer. Governor asking for yet another extension.

Thought so.
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