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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Been reading about some world war stuff (currently in an area of the world where wreckages from that war is still lying all over the place) The Japanese imperial army was one determined bunch of guys... wah.. So they took over Malasyia imprisoning twice as many British and Aussie soldiers than they had. Run a tight ship and really required (arguably) the atomic bomb to make them surrender. Invasion of Japan by soldiers would have tried to kill 3 or 4 before going down - it would have been a bloody battle. After the Bomb - the emperor surrender the ones who could stand the shame of surrender did as orders required and others just hari kiried themselves on the road. it was impressive until I came to hear about some Japanese soldiers who surrender after 30 years. The guy had proper uniform. he kept his things clean and never knew that Japan surrendered. They had to fly in his former commander (the guy who gave him the orders) to go to the Philippines to withdraw the order. The fellow then surrendered to Marcos. Some other guy was found in Guam in 1972.... Kinda made me ask myself - how just how effective was the narrative of 'Japanese superiority and gain after fighting a noble fight for the emperor' to survive solo confinement 30 years down the line? What type of narrative do you come up with to create such tough and tenacious MoFos All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Correct that to IJA, the Imperial Japanese Army, the meanest, most savage fighting force of the last century... It's a funny coincidence because I was reading on these Japanese holdouts just last week. Interesting stuff. One of them required the intervention of his former Commanding Officer (CO), while another surrendered after the direct intervention of the PM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdoutTULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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I think it is a combination of 2 very powerful forces. Ukabila na dini. Just imagine the enthusiasm of Baba supporters coupled with the belief that Baba is God himself. Japanese Emperors before the current one were for more than 1000 years considered living gods. I also think that Japan being islands reinforces this belief kabisa because people are isolated. On a mainland there are too many people with different beliefs who see and meet each other so that it is a little hard to sustain fundamentalist beliefs. I think if Jehovah Wanyonyi had arisen amongst the people of Mfangano island and they had believed him he would have built a bigger and long lasting following. You can imagine the Japanese on their islands for hundreds of years. Everyone on the island looks the same and speaks the same language and they also believed they were special and they were the chosen ones and the Emperor is God. Then combine that with a general hardworking discipline and team spirit that makes them clean stadiums after world cup matches and you have an unbeatable force.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 834 Location: nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Been reading about some world war stuff (currently in an area of the world where wreckages from that war is still lying all over the place)
The Japanese imperial army was one determined bunch of guys... wah.. So they took over Malasyia imprisoning twice as many British and Aussie soldiers than they had. Run a tight ship and really required (arguably) the atomic bomb to make them surrender. Invasion of Japan by soldiers would have tried to kill 3 or 4 before going down - it would have been a bloody battle. After the Bomb - the emperor surrender the ones who could stand the shame of surrender did as orders required and others just hari kiried themselves on the road. it was impressive until I came to hear about some Japanese soldiers who surrender after 30 years. The guy had proper uniform. he kept his things clean and never knew that Japan surrendered. They had to fly in his former commander (the guy who gave him the orders) to go to the Philippines to withdraw the order. The fellow then surrendered to Marcos. Some other guy was found in Guam in 1972.... Kinda made me ask myself - how just how effective was the narrative of 'Japanese superiority and gain after fighting a noble fight for the emperor' to survive solo confinement 30 years down the line? What type of narrative do you come up with to create such tough and tenacious MoFos are you reading this from a book and if so which one. i would be interested to pick it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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heri wrote:masukuma wrote:Been reading about some world war stuff (currently in an area of the world where wreckages from that war is still lying all over the place)
The Japanese imperial army was one determined bunch of guys... wah.. So they took over Malasyia imprisoning twice as many British and Aussie soldiers than they had. Run a tight ship and really required (arguably) the atomic bomb to make them surrender. Invasion of Japan by soldiers would have tried to kill 3 or 4 before going down - it would have been a bloody battle. After the Bomb - the emperor surrender the ones who could stand the shame of surrender did as orders required and others just hari kiried themselves on the road. it was impressive until I came to hear about some Japanese soldiers who surrender after 30 years. The guy had proper uniform. he kept his things clean and never knew that Japan surrendered. They had to fly in his former commander (the guy who gave him the orders) to go to the Philippines to withdraw the order. The fellow then surrendered to Marcos. Some other guy was found in Guam in 1972.... Kinda made me ask myself - how just how effective was the narrative of 'Japanese superiority and gain after fighting a noble fight for the emperor' to survive solo confinement 30 years down the line? What type of narrative do you come up with to create such tough and tenacious MoFos are you reading this from a book and if so which one. i would be interested to pick it up Sounds more like common sense, which makes sense. The US can attribute its super power status because they all speak the same language, unlike China which is divided and has taken them ions to get where they are with their Mandarin. Japan, small as it is could humble China in battle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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I think the most powerful weapon of any nation is kichwa ngumuness. The same trait that makes Miguna annoying. A nation that has a high level of this is very difficult to conquer.
@Heri I can recommend a documentary that will give you an idea of just how difficult it was to fight the Japanese in WWII. "The War: A Film by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick." It is available on Netflix. You can also read Wikipedia pages of the battles in the Pacific islands of Guadalcanal, Saipan, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Any American who fought on those islands and survived to tell the tale never forgot the Japanese. The Japanese fought to the last man. Never surrendered even if he was the last one. Japanese civilians on some islands committed suicide by jumping off a cliff rather than be captured alive.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,703
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When I read about world war 2 stuff I feel very lucky because we must be living in the most peaceful time, more like a temporary peacetime in the eye of the storm.
Consider this all Kenyan soldiers, all of them in all the barracks in Kenya and Somalia and kila mahali are only about 25,000 total. The biggest army in the world right now is the People's Liberation Army of China with about 2.3 million soldiers. The US has about 1.3 million. These numbers look big but they are tiny when you consider how large the forces were during WWII.
The British army had 3 million, Imperial Japanese Army had 6 million soldiers at its peak, Germany had 13 million, Americans had 16 million while the Soviets had about 30 million. Those are a lot of people with guns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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That's it! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:I think the most powerful weapon of any nation is kichwa ngumuness. The same trait that makes Miguna annoying. A nation that has a high level of this is very difficult to conquer.
@Heri I can recommend a documentary that will give you an idea of just how difficult it was to fight the Japanese in WWII. "The War: A Film by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick." It is available on Netflix. You can also read Wikipedia pages of the battles in the Pacific islands of Guadalcanal, Saipan, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Any American who fought on those islands and survived to tell the tale never forgot the Japanese. The Japanese fought to the last man. Never surrendered even if he was the last one. Japanese civilians on some islands committed suicide by jumping off a cliff rather than be captured alive. yes... Taleb calls it Minority Rule... a small but stubborn minority will always rule. For example in Kenya we all eat halal food - why? Because a small and stubborn minority stuck to their guns. The rest of us can eat halal or non halal food - they can only eat halal food. it's the same thing with Kosher. GMOs suffered because a small but stubborn group rejected them. Apparently it's also a thing with languages! Taleb has an essays about it (I read it in a book but later discovered that they are all available online) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Kusadikika wrote:I think the most powerful weapon of any nation is kichwa ngumuness. The same trait that makes Miguna annoying. A nation that has a high level of this is very difficult to conquer.
@Heri I can recommend a documentary that will give you an idea of just how difficult it was to fight the Japanese in WWII. "The War: A Film by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick." It is available on Netflix. You can also read Wikipedia pages of the battles in the Pacific islands of Guadalcanal, Saipan, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Any American who fought on those islands and survived to tell the tale never forgot the Japanese. The Japanese fought to the last man. Never surrendered even if he was the last one. Japanese civilians on some islands committed suicide by jumping off a cliff rather than be captured alive. yes... Taleb calls it Minority Rule... a small but stubborn minority will always rule. For example in Kenya we all eat halal food - why? Because a small and stubborn minority stuck to their guns. The rest of us can eat halal or non halal food - they can only eat halal food. it's the same thing with Kosher. GMOs suffered because a small but stubborn group rejected them. Apparently it's also a thing with languages! Taleb has an essays about it (I read it in a book but later discovered that they are all available online) Hasty generalization. Why aren't the Roma ruling Europe. They are a minority and are vichwa ngumu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Bushido is a spiritual art. So we're talking about spiritual power here. A deep philosophy governing action.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Bushido is a spiritual art. So we're talking about spiritual power here. A deep philosophy governing action. nope... it's just a bunch of narratives, codes, value systems e.t.c. that dictated a way of life passed down from generation to generation. Just another set of fiction that elevated brave death above cowardly living. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Kusadikika wrote:I think the most powerful weapon of any nation is kichwa ngumuness. The same trait that makes Miguna annoying. A nation that has a high level of this is very difficult to conquer.
@Heri I can recommend a documentary that will give you an idea of just how difficult it was to fight the Japanese in WWII. "The War: A Film by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick." It is available on Netflix. You can also read Wikipedia pages of the battles in the Pacific islands of Guadalcanal, Saipan, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Any American who fought on those islands and survived to tell the tale never forgot the Japanese. The Japanese fought to the last man. Never surrendered even if he was the last one. Japanese civilians on some islands committed suicide by jumping off a cliff rather than be captured alive. yes... Taleb calls it Minority Rule... a small but stubborn minority will always rule. For example in Kenya we all eat halal food - why? Because a small and stubborn minority stuck to their guns. The rest of us can eat halal or non halal food - they can only eat halal food. it's the same thing with Kosher. GMOs suffered because a small but stubborn group rejected them. Apparently it's also a thing with languages! Taleb has an essays about it (I read it in a book but later discovered that they are all available online) Hasty generalization. Why aren't the Roma ruling Europe. They are a minority and are vichwa ngumu. Did you read the essay to understand what I was saying? Unlike the Roma - the Jews and Muslims are actually embedded in that society and people "care" what they want. It's like having a cake with Pombe for a birthday - you will look around and if 'some of your friends are muslims'... you will be sensitive to their needs as long as the cost is not too high. All your 'kafir' friends can eat non alcoholic cake but your single muslim friend who you want to come does not. So you have to want something from them and care about them... the sad fact is that no one cares about Romas... everyone keeps on saying they are not even europeans but indians. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Bushido is a spiritual art. So we're talking about spiritual power here. A deep philosophy governing action. nope... it's just a bunch of narratives, codes, value systems e.t.c. that dictated a way of life passed down from generation to generation. Just another set of fiction that elevated brave death above cowardly living. When did you study Bushido? Argument from ignorance!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Kusadikika wrote:I think the most powerful weapon of any nation is kichwa ngumuness. The same trait that makes Miguna annoying. A nation that has a high level of this is very difficult to conquer.
@Heri I can recommend a documentary that will give you an idea of just how difficult it was to fight the Japanese in WWII. "The War: A Film by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick." It is available on Netflix. You can also read Wikipedia pages of the battles in the Pacific islands of Guadalcanal, Saipan, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Any American who fought on those islands and survived to tell the tale never forgot the Japanese. The Japanese fought to the last man. Never surrendered even if he was the last one. Japanese civilians on some islands committed suicide by jumping off a cliff rather than be captured alive. yes... Taleb calls it Minority Rule... a small but stubborn minority will always rule. For example in Kenya we all eat halal food - why? Because a small and stubborn minority stuck to their guns. The rest of us can eat halal or non halal food - they can only eat halal food. it's the same thing with Kosher. GMOs suffered because a small but stubborn group rejected them. Apparently it's also a thing with languages! Taleb has an essays about it (I read it in a book but later discovered that they are all available online) Hasty generalization. Why aren't the Roma ruling Europe. They are a minority and are vichwa ngumu. Did you read the essay to understand what I was saying? Unlike the Roma - the Jews and Muslims are actually embedded in that society and people "care" what they want. It's like having a cake with Pombe for a birthday - you will look around and if 'some of your friends are muslims'... you will be sensitive to their needs as long as the cost is not too high. All your 'kafir' friends can eat non alcoholic cake but your single muslim friend who you want to come does not. So you have to want something from them and care about them... the sad fact is that no one cares about Romas... everyone keeps on saying they are not even europeans but indians. Maybe you've forgotten, but the Jews and the Roma have many parallels in Europe. When Salvini, for example,wants to deport the Roma to some place, is that not caring? You can't persecute people to whom you are indifferent.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The Jains in India are a minority are hardly vichwa ngumu, but are powerful.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Bushido is a spiritual art. So we're talking about spiritual power here. A deep philosophy governing action. nope... it's just a bunch of narratives, codes, value systems e.t.c. that dictated a way of life passed down from generation to generation. Just another set of fiction that elevated brave death above cowardly living. When did you study Bushido? Argument from ignorance! It is like any other "spiritual" system. I don't have to be in the woods to tell that what is before me is a forest. And it's cool if adherents of the code consider it spiritual - just don't ask me to consider it "spiritual" yet a perfectly fine explanation exists. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Bushido is a spiritual art. So we're talking about spiritual power here. A deep philosophy governing action. nope... it's just a bunch of narratives, codes, value systems e.t.c. that dictated a way of life passed down from generation to generation. Just another set of fiction that elevated brave death above cowardly living. When did you study Bushido? Argument from ignorance! It is like any other "spiritual" system. I don't have to be in the woods to tell that what is before me is a forest. And it's cool if adherents of the code consider it spiritual - just don't ask me to consider it "spiritual" yet a perfectly fine explanation exists. Yeah. That's how ignorance is justified. 'Perfectly fine' explanations. Lol
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Masukuma says, 'Why bother about Kepler and Galileo, when a perfect explanation exists, about the sun going around the earth? You can even see it with your own eyes!'
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