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Kaigangio wrote:Njunge wrote:Baratang wrote:Kaigangio wrote:When all the bees enter the hive, you can now place the top cover and leave it there for three days. At the third day, at night, move the hive 4 feet to wards the direction where you want it to be eventually but maintain the same bee hive entrance direction. After another three days move it another four feet. This process should go on until you have reached the desired location within your premises. @Kaigangio, why would you need to move the hive 4 feet after every 3 days? This is weird Thought so too!. what would happen if you moved the hive 4'6" each day?    @Baratang...when a swarm of bees colonize a hive or a new home, in the first three days the bees set their natural GPS to that point location and is not easily deleted from their brain. Take three scenarios: First scenario...If you move the new home say 8 feet from the hive colonization location: 1. the bees that had left the hive for foraging before relocating the hive will not return to the hive. Instead, they will crowd around the original location of the hive and in the evening they will form a spherical ball on a tree branch or eve of a house (pretty close to where the hive had been placed). The second day after spending the night in the cold they will do the same thing. After that they will die out.  2. The bees which will be coming out of the hive in its new location will not go back to it. They will return to where the hive was placed before it was relocated. they will suffer the same consequences as outlined in (1) above. Second scenario...If you move the new home to 4 feet away, the distance is pretty short and the bees will not have any trouble getting back to the hive as the bees' GPS is set at about four to five feet accuracy. The three days interval will not give the bees enough time to familiarise themselves with any new feature near the hive.  Third scenario...if you move the new home to more than 6 kilometres away from the original location, the bees will never find their way back to that location. Instead, they will reset their GPS upon the new location. Here we could help our sister Angelica further if she needs those bees but she does not want to be moving the hive after every three days. @Angelica, after relocating the new home for your bees to more than 6 kilometres (to an apiarist friend) you could let it stay for about four weeks. After that and during the night you could get your hive back and place it to your desired place in your homestead. The bees will never trace the route back to where you had relocated them to immediately after colonising the hive. Phew!!An interesting insect! Any question? Aish asante sana!!! A true elder!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? This world is truly not my home.. Tycho, you want AA to have a dialogue with bees and maybe a handshake? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/6/2009 Posts: 587
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, .... ...If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance.... Eish!! Bees dancing What dance is this now??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Angelica _ann wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... She has been sold! The once-upon-a-time 'I don't want these bees', is sponging all available info
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. How many scouts are sent by a colony, and if more than one scout is sent, do the scouts go to one place? If more than one scout has been sent, how does the colony get to choose the best solution?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I'm sure the above is possible. But let's hear from @Kaigangio first.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Baratang wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, .... ...If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance.... Eish!! Bees dancing What dance is this now?? There are two types of bee dances, the waggle and the head butt dances. When the scout bees which are also honeybee foragers discover a potential nesting site (home or hive) these scouts will go back to the other scouts in the colony who had gone to different location in search of a new home. In order to broadcast to other scout bees where the nest is and how suitable it is for the swarm the scout bees will perform a waggle dance. In fact each group of scout bees from different locations will do their waggle dance. The scout bees group dance that receives the largest support carries the day and more scout bees are dispatched to inspect the potential home. If they approve it the decision is made by the swarm to move in there. Howeve, before the decision is made there is a lot of scout bees lobbying. The scouts who are not in support of the potential home but an alternative will dissuade the waggling dancers to stop dancing by doing the head butts. With enough head butts some scout bees may stop waggle dancing showing that they have changed their mind on the potential home. All in all, if the head butt gains majority, the scouts will focus on the alternative potential home. The same waggle dance is done when foraging honey bees discover a location with lots of nectarful flowers. If by any chance some foragers think that those are dangerous flowers, they will head butt to persuade other honeybees in support to change their mind. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Angelica _ann wrote:Kaigangio wrote:A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... The best way to split the African honey bee colony is; Get a hive complete with top bars or frames and put it next to the established hive or colony. Get your bee smoker ready because when you open the hive, the occupants will not take it lying down...smoke them to calm them. On the empty hive remove say 6 frames or top bars and place them on the side. In the established hive, look for the queen and highjack or beejack her and put her into a small well ventilated box which you can place in your pocket. Next, get two frames or top bars which are full of brood and eggs and place them into the new hive. Further get three frames or top bars full of honey and pollen and place them in the new hive and be sure to sandwich the brood and eggs combs with the honey and pollen combs.Do not shake off the bees. They should remain on the comb as you carry out the transfer. Be sure to leave some frames or top bars in the mother hive with plenty of eggs and larva which is not more than three days old. Replace the frames or the top bars in the mother hive with empty frames or top bars. Take some of the frames or bars with comb from the mother hive and shake the bees into the new hive. When you have gotten enough bees into the new hive, place the top cover of the mother hive. Next relocate your new hive a couple of steps away, remove the queen from your pocket and put her inside the new hive in between two brood and eggs frames or top bars and place the top cover. After this, this is where @Mukiri comes in handy. You can now call and tell him to either come for the new hive with a colony of bees or you deliver it yourself to his premises within the shortest time possible to prevent the bees in the new hive from going back to the mother hive. Note the Mukiri's premises must be more than 6 kilometres away. Now, one colony or hive has a queen and the other does not. What happens?. Stay tuned.. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Mukiri wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... She has been sold! The once-upon-a-time 'I don't want these bees', is sponging all available info @Mukiri...all is not lost. You can still get a hive full of bees after the colony split. Just promise her that you will take good care of the bees and in return she will get a can of honey occasionally ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Kaigangio wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Kaigangio wrote:A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... The best way to split the African honey bee colony is; Get a hive complete with top bars or frames and put it next to the established hive or colony. Get your bee smoker ready because when you open the hive, the occupants will not take it lying down...smoke them to calm them. On the empty hive remove say 6 frames or top bars and place them on the side. In the established hive, look for the queen and highjack or beejack her and put her into a small well ventilated box which you can place in your pocket. Next, get two frames or top bars which are full of brood and eggs and place them into the new hive. Further get three frames or top bars full of honey and pollen and place them in the new hive and be sure to sandwich the brood and eggs combs with the honey and pollen combs.Do not shake off the bees. They should remain on the comb as you carry out the transfer. Be sure to leave some frames or top bars in the mother hive with plenty of eggs and larva which is not more than three days old. Replace the frames or the top bars in the mother hive with empty frames or top bars. Take some of the frames or bars with comb from the mother hive and shake the bees into the new hive. When you have gotten enough bees into the new hive, place the top cover of the mother hive. Next relocate your new hive a couple of steps away, remove the queen from your pocket and put her inside the new hive in between two brood and eggs frames or top bars and place the top cover. After this, this is where @Mukiri comes in handy. You can now call and tell him to either come for the new hive with a colony of bees or you deliver it yourself to his premises within the shortest time possible to prevent the bees in the new hive from going back to the mother hive. Note the Mukiri's premises must be more than 6 kilometres away. Now, one colony or hive has a queen and the other does not. What happens?. Stay tuned.. God bless you. Hives at 6k is abit too steep, if one dreams of tens or hundreds or thousands of hives. What are most economic options you'd recommend? I'm contemplating making this https://ladyleeshome.com...bar-hive-from-a-barrel/
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Kaigangio wrote:Mukiri wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. Thanks & waiting for this part ......... She has been sold! The once-upon-a-time 'I don't want these bees', is sponging all available info @Mukiri...all is not lost. You can still get a hive full of bees after the colony split. Just promise her that you will take good care of the bees and in return she will get a can of honey occasionally Honey she(or anybody else willing to invest) will get. One for two @500/- a liter, until debt is fully paid. Thereafter, occasional honey and mead.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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tycho wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. How many scouts are sent by a colony, and if more than one scout is sent, do the scouts go to one place? If more than one scout has been sent, how does the colony get to choose the best solution? @tycho, the scouts that go looking out for a new nesting place are just ordinary foraging female honeybees with an added responsibility. Originally they set out in groups of small numbers (tens) in all directions. If any of the group finds a suitable potential home then, after the waggle dance as explained, more scouts (in the hundreds) will fly to the premises for a thorough inspection. When they are satisfied that the nesting is perfect for the bees they will deliver the message to the waiting swarm, which will then move in and colonize it. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:Kaigangio wrote:tycho wrote:@Kaigangio, I have this question: Can humans and bees share a common language, such that @Angelica can simply tell these bees, to go to the desired tree or place, as long as it's mutually agreed? Yes. Humans can communicate with the bees. However, the interaction is not verbal but rather through actions. A good example is the one I have outlined above about moving bees from one point to another. If the bees don't like your idea of relocating them, they will abscond (vacate the hive and leave everything behind) and find another home or hive to colonize. A second basic example is when you want a colony of them bees to colonize your hive, you have to put it in a strategic and physically appealing location. Now, to convince those bee scouts which are out there looking for a new home that yours is better than your neighbour's, you will need to bait it by smeering wax onto top bars or frames or puting a few drops of nice smelling essential oil or putting one or two frames or top bars which are fully drawn with old comb or having all these together. If the scout bees like the hive they will go to the colony and perform their usual dance. A third example is when the colony has grown too large and either the bees have run out of space or the queen has run out of laying cells. The bees will construct the swarm cells (which are meant for rearing new virgin queens) in preparation for swarming. By increasing the amount of space, you are telling the bees not to swarm. If they agree with you, they will destroy the swarm cells and they will not swarm. If they don' t agree with you, the queen will leave the hive with half of the bees at the appropriate time without warning. If you destroy the queen cells yourself after you have provided the extra space, they may decide to stay. If they are annoyed with your actions, they will show you the middle finger and they will abscond. A fourth example is when you want to split a colony into two colonies. How many scouts are sent by a colony, and if more than one scout is sent, do the scouts go to one place? If more than one scout has been sent, how does the colony get to choose the best solution? @tycho, the scouts that go looking out for a new nesting place are just ordinary foraging female honeybees with an added responsibility. Originally they set out in groups of small numbers (tens) in all directions. If any of the group finds a suitable potential home then, after the waggle dance as explained, more scouts (in the hundreds) will fly to the premises for a thorough inspection. When they are satisfied that the nesting is perfect for the bees they will deliver the message to the waiting swarm, which will then move in and colonize it. Who gives the orders, and how are the orders relayed?
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