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New NYS Scandal
hardwood
#241 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 8:50:33 PM
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Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?
murchr
#242 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 8:56:46 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?


Save for this time the supplier did not supply anything but air so what was he receiving payments for? He can explain that to the judge
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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2012
#243 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 9:05:53 PM
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murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?


Save for this time the supplier did not supply anything but air so what was he receiving payments for? He can explain that to the judge


That's even easier because he does not have to explain that. The one who needs to explain is the one doing the paying. What was he paying for? It's not unusual to be paid for doing nothing. Many employers in Kenya pay salaries to employees who do nothing but are too expensive to dispense of.

BBI will solve it
:)
murchr
#244 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 9:28:24 PM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?


Save for this time the supplier did not supply anything but air so what was he receiving payments for? He can explain that to the judge


That's even easier because he does not have to explain that. The one who needs to explain is the one doing the paying. What was he paying for? It's not unusual to be paid for doing nothing. Many employers in Kenya pay salaries to employees who do nothing but are too expensive to dispense of.



They are all in court
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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2012
#245 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 9:37:51 PM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?


Save for this time the supplier did not supply anything but air so what was he receiving payments for? He can explain that to the judge


That's even easier because he does not have to explain that. The one who needs to explain is the one doing the paying. What was he paying for? It's not unusual to be paid for doing nothing. Many employers in Kenya pay salaries to employees who do nothing but are too expensive to dispense of.



They are all in court


And a lawyer will tell you that that complicates the case because an accused person cannot be a credible witness. Plus they may demand a deal to rat on the other. This came up over a drink with a lawyer friend who told me this judiciary will sweat over this case. Americans offer a reduced jail term of free the small fish to entice them to testify against the big fish but we have only small fishes in this NYS saga.

BBI will solve it
:)
murchr
#246 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 10:30:23 PM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?


Save for this time the supplier did not supply anything but air so what was he receiving payments for? He can explain that to the judge


That's even easier because he does not have to explain that. The one who needs to explain is the one doing the paying. What was he paying for? It's not unusual to be paid for doing nothing. Many employers in Kenya pay salaries to employees who do nothing but are too expensive to dispense of.



They are all in court


And a lawyer will tell you that that complicates the case because an accused person cannot be a credible witness. Plus they may demand a deal to rat on the other. This came up over a drink with a lawyer friend who told me this judiciary will sweat over this case. Americans offer a reduced jail term of free the small fish to entice them to testify against the big fish but we have only small fishes in this NYS saga.



Who said any of the accused is a witness? Those who colluded to defraud the county are in jail others on the run but its a matter of time. An accused person can be witness if they confess to crime. There are other ways of catching a thief in this technology day and age, you leave your digital prints allover. Phones, txts, base stations, emails, login information, bank account records, purchases, etcetera etcetera

Do not comment on the US system if you know nothing about it. There are numerous cases of people who colluded to the defraud the gov that you can read about . Watch how Paul Manafort will end up
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#247 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 11:53:41 PM
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Currently in Kenya in the same case, you cannot be an accused and a witness at the same time. Ni hayo tu!!!
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2012
#248 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:34:48 AM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
2012 wrote:
Elsewhere in the unfolding NYS soap opera....

The NYS saga lead detective is allegedly Ngirita's business partner according to a sworn affidavit. Yaani sasa....


This is a side show...Ngiritas still received 59m for supplying air...whether the lead investigator was a business partner or not.smile


If you are running a kiosk and your employee pays a supplier "59 million" who is to blame? The payer or the payee?


Save for this time the supplier did not supply anything but air so what was he receiving payments for? He can explain that to the judge


That's even easier because he does not have to explain that. The one who needs to explain is the one doing the paying. What was he paying for? It's not unusual to be paid for doing nothing. Many employers in Kenya pay salaries to employees who do nothing but are too expensive to dispense of.



They are all in court


And a lawyer will tell you that that complicates the case because an accused person cannot be a credible witness. Plus they may demand a deal to rat on the other. This came up over a drink with a lawyer friend who told me this judiciary will sweat over this case. Americans offer a reduced jail term of free the small fish to entice them to testify against the big fish but we have only small fishes in this NYS saga.



Who said any of the accused is a witness? Those who colluded to defraud the county are in jail others on the run but its a matter of time. An accused person can be witness if they confess to crime. There are other ways of catching a thief in this technology day and age, you leave your digital prints allover. Phones, txts, base stations, emails, login information, bank account records, purchases, etcetera etcetera

Do not comment on the US system if you know nothing about it. There are numerous cases of people who colluded to the defraud the gov that you can read about . Watch how Paul Manafort will end up


I know you have very high hopes and so should we all, but you obviously know that the entire case is based on forensics that will be submitted by an allegedly compromised officer...
I'm also optimistic but I followed the disappointing televised Goldenberg enquiry under Justice Bosire that brought in expert after expert and let pastor Paul off. The case was very similar to this...

BBI will solve it
:)
Njunge
#249 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:41:50 AM
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In the meantime, a delegation of 8 Zambian Mpigs are in Kenya to learn how to fight corruption.
Intelligentsia
#250 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:13:40 PM
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Njunge wrote:
In the meantime, a delegation of 8 Zambian Mpigs are in Kenya to learn how to fight corruption.


This is corruption perpetrated on the Zambian people themuselufs Laughing out loudly
jgithige
#251 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 2:01:32 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
Njunge wrote:
In the meantime, a delegation of 8 Zambian Mpigs are in Kenya to learn how to fight corruption.


This is corruption perpetrated on the Zambian people themuselufs Laughing out loudly


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Uhuru Kenyatta & William Ruto should be nominated for a nobel award on fighting corruption
"Blowing out someone else candle won't make yours shine brighter"-Anonymous
murchr
#252 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 4:36:29 PM
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the Star wrote:


One hundred and thirteen accounts held in 13 banks have been frozen as detectives zero in the NYS multibillion-shilling scandal.....


ARA also assured the court the orders sought if granted will not in anyway prejudice the suspects and will allow fair administration of justice and the rule of law.

The banks where the accounts are held include Barclays bank, Equity, KCB, Cooperative bank, Diamond trust, Guaranty trust bank, Eco bank, Family bank, National bank, NIC bank, Unitas sacco microfinance bank, Credit bank, CFC Stanbic bank, Consolidated bank, HFC bank and I&M bank.

At DTB, accounts include Millachi Africa Ltd, Ajaa Olubayi & Co, Zeighan enterprises, Jelly Merchants, Phoenix Capital Ltd, Clinique investment limited, Jackline Mutsotso and Advance quick fix.

Siblings in the Ngirita family who are part of the 43 suspects implicated in the NYS scandal have claimed they were framed by an officer investigating the case.

The magistrate gave police officer Fredrick Musyoki orders to scrutinise account opening documents, statements of account since their inception to date, cheques, cash deposits and RTGS transfers covering the period.

The magistrate issued the freeze order which will be in place for six months.

The magistrate interestingly did not write his or her full name on the order and instead opted to append a signature.



Why not append his/her name?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Swenani
#253 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:08:12 PM
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murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:


One hundred and thirteen accounts held in 13 banks have been frozen as detectives zero in the NYS multibillion-shilling scandal.....


ARA also assured the court the orders sought if granted will not in anyway prejudice the suspects and will allow fair administration of justice and the rule of law.

The banks where the accounts are held include Barclays bank, Equity, KCB, Cooperative bank, Diamond trust, Guaranty trust bank, Eco bank, Family bank, National bank, NIC bank, Unitas sacco microfinance bank, Credit bank, CFC Stanbic bank, Consolidated bank, HFC bank and I&M bank.

At DTB, accounts include Millachi Africa Ltd, Ajaa Olubayi & Co, Zeighan enterprises, Jelly Merchants, Phoenix Capital Ltd, Clinique investment limited, Jackline Mutsotso and Advance quick fix.

Siblings in the Ngirita family who are part of the 43 suspects implicated in the NYS scandal have claimed they were framed by an officer investigating the case.

The magistrate gave police officer Fredrick Musyoki orders to scrutinise account opening documents, statements of account since their inception to date, cheques, cash deposits and RTGS transfers covering the period.

The magistrate issued the freeze order which will be in place for six months.

The magistrate interestingly did not write his or her full name on the order and instead opted to append a signature.



Why not append his/her name?


Instead of telling us the number of accounts frozeb, they should tell us the number in those accounts.Otherwise hii no side show
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
FRM2011
#254 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:12:32 PM
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https://www.the-star.co....ning-affidavit_c1771608

I would want to hear from a lawyer, a real one not the armchair type, what this means to the case in court. I understand the Ngirita guy produced actual deposit slips to the account of the lead investigator.
murchr
#255 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:12:43 PM
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Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:


One hundred and thirteen accounts held in 13 banks have been frozen as detectives zero in the NYS multibillion-shilling scandal.....


ARA also assured the court the orders sought if granted will not in anyway prejudice the suspects and will allow fair administration of justice and the rule of law.

The banks where the accounts are held include Barclays bank, Equity, KCB, Cooperative bank, Diamond trust, Guaranty trust bank, Eco bank, Family bank, National bank, NIC bank, Unitas sacco microfinance bank, Credit bank, CFC Stanbic bank, Consolidated bank, HFC bank and I&M bank.

At DTB, accounts include Millachi Africa Ltd, Ajaa Olubayi & Co, Zeighan enterprises, Jelly Merchants, Phoenix Capital Ltd, Clinique investment limited, Jackline Mutsotso and Advance quick fix.

Siblings in the Ngirita family who are part of the 43 suspects implicated in the NYS scandal have claimed they were framed by an officer investigating the case.

The magistrate gave police officer Fredrick Musyoki orders to scrutinise account opening documents, statements of account since their inception to date, cheques, cash deposits and RTGS transfers covering the period.

The magistrate issued the freeze order which will be in place for six months.

The magistrate interestingly did not write his or her full name on the order and instead opted to append a signature.



Why not append his/her name?


Instead of telling us the number of accounts frozeb, they should tell us the number in those accounts.Otherwise hii no side show


And then you'll do what? The number will be determined after the movement of the money is well drawn. Some of the accounts could have nothing. But...the banks listed could be fined heavily if they violated any rules.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#256 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:18:28 PM
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the Star wrote:

Anti-corruption court Magistrate Douglas Ogoti has directed prison authorities to escort Ann Ngirita's mother to Kenyatta National Hospital for treatment.

This was after Lucy Wambui Ngirita informed the court that she was unwell and required special treatment.

Through lawyer Cliff Ombeta, Wambui said she has been unwell, and that the treatment that she is getting at the remand is not enough.

Lucy becomes the second accused person in the NYS corruption case to be taken to the facility after falling sick in court.

On the night of May 29, Public Service PS Lillian Omollo was rushed to KNH after she fainted.

She is still admitted to the facility although questions have emerged over her prolonged stay there.

On Sunday, the DCI enrolled the services of a private doctor to evaluate her condition to ascertain if she was still unwell
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Sansa
#257 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 6:29:21 PM
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murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

Anti-corruption court Magistrate Douglas Ogoti has directed prison authorities to escort Ann Ngirita's mother to Kenyatta National Hospital for treatment.

This was after Lucy Wambui Ngirita informed the court that she was unwell and required special treatment.

Through lawyer Cliff Ombeta, Wambui said she has been unwell, and that the treatment that she is getting at the remand is not enough.

Lucy becomes the second accused person in the NYS corruption case to be taken to the facility after falling sick in court.

On the night of May 29, Public Service PS Lillian Omollo was rushed to KNH after she fainted.

She is still admitted to the facility although questions have emerged over her prolonged stay there.

On Sunday, the DCI enrolled the services of a private doctor to evaluate her condition to ascertain if she was still unwell


These people are joking. Take them to the general ward and cuff them to the bed. No luxuries.
Swenani
#258 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:10:28 PM
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murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:


One hundred and thirteen accounts held in 13 banks have been frozen as detectives zero in the NYS multibillion-shilling scandal.....


ARA also assured the court the orders sought if granted will not in anyway prejudice the suspects and will allow fair administration of justice and the rule of law.

The banks where the accounts are held include Barclays bank, Equity, KCB, Cooperative bank, Diamond trust, Guaranty trust bank, Eco bank, Family bank, National bank, NIC bank, Unitas sacco microfinance bank, Credit bank, CFC Stanbic bank, Consolidated bank, HFC bank and I&M bank.

At DTB, accounts include Millachi Africa Ltd, Ajaa Olubayi & Co, Zeighan enterprises, Jelly Merchants, Phoenix Capital Ltd, Clinique investment limited, Jackline Mutsotso and Advance quick fix.

Siblings in the Ngirita family who are part of the 43 suspects implicated in the NYS scandal have claimed they were framed by an officer investigating the case.

The magistrate gave police officer Fredrick Musyoki orders to scrutinise account opening documents, statements of account since their inception to date, cheques, cash deposits and RTGS transfers covering the period.

The magistrate issued the freeze order which will be in place for six months.

The magistrate interestingly did not write his or her full name on the order and instead opted to append a signature.



Why not append his/her name?


Instead of telling us the number of accounts frozeb, they should tell us the number in those accounts.Otherwise hii no side show


And then you'll do what? The number will be determined after the movement of the money is well drawn. Some of the accounts could have nothing. But...the banks listed could be fined heavily if they violated any rules.

same thing you've done with info on number of accounts done
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
murchr
#259 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:15:22 PM
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Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:


One hundred and thirteen accounts held in 13 banks have been frozen as detectives zero in the NYS multibillion-shilling scandal.....


ARA also assured the court the orders sought if granted will not in anyway prejudice the suspects and will allow fair administration of justice and the rule of law.

The banks where the accounts are held include Barclays bank, Equity, KCB, Cooperative bank, Diamond trust, Guaranty trust bank, Eco bank, Family bank, National bank, NIC bank, Unitas sacco microfinance bank, Credit bank, CFC Stanbic bank, Consolidated bank, HFC bank and I&M bank.

At DTB, accounts include Millachi Africa Ltd, Ajaa Olubayi & Co, Zeighan enterprises, Jelly Merchants, Phoenix Capital Ltd, Clinique investment limited, Jackline Mutsotso and Advance quick fix.

Siblings in the Ngirita family who are part of the 43 suspects implicated in the NYS scandal have claimed they were framed by an officer investigating the case.

The magistrate gave police officer Fredrick Musyoki orders to scrutinise account opening documents, statements of account since their inception to date, cheques, cash deposits and RTGS transfers covering the period.

The magistrate issued the freeze order which will be in place for six months.

The magistrate interestingly did not write his or her full name on the order and instead opted to append a signature.



Why not append his/her name?


Instead of telling us the number of accounts frozeb, they should tell us the number in those accounts.Otherwise hii no side show


And then you'll do what? The number will be determined after the movement of the money is well drawn. Some of the accounts could have nothing. But...the banks listed could be fined heavily if they violated any rules.

same thing you've done with info on number of accounts done


Which is what?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Swenani
#260 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:03:20 PM
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murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:


One hundred and thirteen accounts held in 13 banks have been frozen as detectives zero in the NYS multibillion-shilling scandal.....


ARA also assured the court the orders sought if granted will not in anyway prejudice the suspects and will allow fair administration of justice and the rule of law.

The banks where the accounts are held include Barclays bank, Equity, KCB, Cooperative bank, Diamond trust, Guaranty trust bank, Eco bank, Family bank, National bank, NIC bank, Unitas sacco microfinance bank, Credit bank, CFC Stanbic bank, Consolidated bank, HFC bank and I&M bank.

At DTB, accounts include Millachi Africa Ltd, Ajaa Olubayi & Co, Zeighan enterprises, Jelly Merchants, Phoenix Capital Ltd, Clinique investment limited, Jackline Mutsotso and Advance quick fix.

Siblings in the Ngirita family who are part of the 43 suspects implicated in the NYS scandal have claimed they were framed by an officer investigating the case.

The magistrate gave police officer Fredrick Musyoki orders to scrutinise account opening documents, statements of account since their inception to date, cheques, cash deposits and RTGS transfers covering the period.

The magistrate issued the freeze order which will be in place for six months.

The magistrate interestingly did not write his or her full name on the order and instead opted to append a signature.



Why not append his/her name?


Instead of telling us the number of accounts frozeb, they should tell us the number in those accounts.Otherwise hii no side show


And then you'll do what? The number will be determined after the movement of the money is well drawn. Some of the accounts could have nothing. But...the banks listed could be fined heavily if they violated any rules.

same thing you've done with info on number of accounts done


Which is what?


Exactly!smile smile smile
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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