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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal "Evidently from the description of the charges and arguments, all the accused are people of different means. There are those who will meet stringent bond terms and there are those who will not. How can the Court then exercise Art 27(1) without being accused of bias? They all face a joint charge in all the case files opened against them. What is a reasonable bond then when some are bound to afford while others cannot. Can it be staggered without being accused of discrimination?" Very defective reasoning. The Court of Appeal has held severally that a Bond Application cannot constitute a common parlay Each accused's case is considered on its own merit independent of the commonality of the charges. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal "Evidently from the description of the charges and arguments, all the accused are people of different means. There are those who will meet stringent bond terms and there are those who will not. How can the Court then exercise Art 27(1) without being accused of bias? They all face a joint charge in all the case files opened against them. What is a reasonable bond then when some are bound to afford while others cannot. Can it be staggered without being accused of discrimination?" Very defective reasoning. The Court of Appeal has held severally that a Bond Application cannot constitute a common parlay Each accused's case is considered on its own merit independent of the commonality of the charges. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail. If the judge has reason to believe that you are a in a position to undermine justice, you are denied bail "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail. If the judge has reason to believe that you are a in a position to undermine justice, you are denied bail playing to the gallery
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail. If the judge has reason to believe that you are a in a position to undermine justice, you are denied bail With corruption, the tougher the judge the faster the case goes, if given bail, cases will go on forever. Wacha wakae ndani, what is remand for? A New Kenya
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/12/2014 Posts: 96
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. what do you mean? my money !lipstick and tattoos!! If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/12/2014 Posts: 96
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. what do you mean? my money !lipstick and tattoos!! If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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This ahmednasir idiot who just follows rich people in courts and streets and hotels is a Kumbaff!!!!! Where is his big mouth when poor people spend months in remand without bail? How does he manage to charge government hundreds of millions "legal fees" aka "yapping fee" in a poor country like kenya? A thieve who uses law, and wants to drive all the corruption funds into lawyer hands, hatutakubali, go bail out poor people in Kibera, jinga wewe! Clever lawyers and "laws for the rich" and another set for the poor, atapatikana tu one of this days, My peddi just spent weeks in cells for kitu one stone of weed. The law does not belong to ahamednasir idiotic head, he DARED maraga the same way claiming to be the controller of law and maraga did what the idiot was saying cannot be done. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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And bails and bonds even if available are not always affordable!!! Why go through all this arguments in court? Why? Just keep the corruption peeps in the cooler till the "grand corruption" ends then Kenya will be a much better place, the magistrate is VERY INNOVATIVE and insightful. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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90% of those who end up in court for drinking muratina sending abusive sms e.t.c cannot afford even bail, they do six months etc because of 30K , alafu unaskia watu wakilialia wakora. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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Much Know wrote:90% of those who end up in court for drinking muratina sending abusive sms e.t.c cannot afford even bail, they do six months etc because of 30K , alafu unaskia watu wakilialia wakora. The other day, two poor Kenyans were jailed for three months for not paying a meal bill of Kshs 150. No lawyer said a word......uuuhhhh. Fak me!!. There was no revenue stream there!! “Law school teaches you one thing above all: how to speak while saying absolutely nothing.” ― Krysten Ritter, Bonfire
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Much Know wrote:This ahmednasir idiot who just follows rich people in courts and streets and hotels is a Kumbaff!!!!! Where is his big mouth when poor people spend months in remand without bail? How does he manage to charge government hundreds of millions "legal fees" aka "yapping fee" in a poor country like kenya? A thieve who uses law, and wants to drive all the corruption funds into lawyer hands, hatutakubali, go bail out poor people in Kibera, jinga wewe! Clever lawyers and "laws for the rich" and another set for the poor, atapatikana tu one of this days, My peddi just spent weeks in cells for kitu one stone of weed. The law does not belong to ahamednasir idiotic head, he DARED maraga the same way claiming to be the controller of law and maraga did what the idiot was saying cannot be done. This matapaka is overrated. He was exposed in the presidential petition 2017 where he could not even construct proper sentences...he has thrived for too long in a mediocre Kenyan system of kizungu mingi and the time is nigh for him to get off the high horse. One Chinese woman working in the SGR confided in me that the problem with most African countries colonized by what she called "imperialists" is that they inherited(copy pasted)everything from their colonial masters. She cited the bond/bail justice system peculiar to the British where a rich man could buy justice by the mere fact they could afford bond/bail. If the handshake committee succeeds in recommending a change in the constitution, then the clause that says every suspect has a right to bail/bond should be amended to exclude corruption suspects, terrorists, rapists and murderers. In the meantime kudos to the high sparrow and his wakora network for showing commitment to the fight against corruption...watu wakulwe na chawa huko industrial area Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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Fyatu wrote:Much Know wrote:This ahmednasir idiot who just follows rich people in courts and streets and hotels is a Kumbaff!!!!! Where is his big mouth when poor people spend months in remand without bail? How does he manage to charge government hundreds of millions "legal fees" aka "yapping fee" in a poor country like kenya? A thieve who uses law, and wants to drive all the corruption funds into lawyer hands, hatutakubali, go bail out poor people in Kibera, jinga wewe! Clever lawyers and "laws for the rich" and another set for the poor, atapatikana tu one of this days, My peddi just spent weeks in cells for kitu one stone of weed. The law does not belong to ahamednasir idiotic head, he DARED maraga the same way claiming to be the controller of law and maraga did what the idiot was saying cannot be done. This matapaka is overrated. He was exposed in the presidential petition 2017 where he could not even construct proper sentences...he has thrived for too long in a mediocre Kenyan system of kizungu mingi and the time is nigh for him to get off the high horse. One Chinese woman working in the SGR confided in me that the problem with most African countries colonized by what she called "imperialists" is that they inherited(copy pasted)everything from their colonial masters. She cited the bond/bail justice system peculiar to the British where a rich man could buy justice by the mere fact they could afford bond/bail. If the handshake committee succeeds in recommending a change in the constitution, then the clause that says every suspect has a right to bail/bond should be amended to exclude corruption suspects, terrorists, rapists and murderers. In the meantime kudos to the high sparrow and his wakora network for showing commitment to the fight against corruption...watu wakulwe na chawa huko industrial area A progression from a separate law for the nigger "black slaves". Pesa tu! A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Bail/bond is a right. No rationale for denying Kenyans their right. Slideshows!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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Angelica _ann wrote:Bail/bond is a right. No rationale for denying Kenyans their right. Slideshows!!! The Magistrate sounds very intelligent, he has explained the legal reasoning. Then of course it bail should be free of charge, the Magistrate said not so in cases of ECONOMIC CRIMES, which he correctly says are worse than murder. Any other crime yes, but grand corruption economic crime destroys people and nations., this is what people are always yapping about, deal with it so people can talk about other things. A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Njunge wrote:Much Know wrote:90% of those who end up in court for drinking muratina sending abusive sms e.t.c cannot afford even bail, they do six months etc because of 30K , alafu unaskia watu wakilialia wakora. The other day, two poor Kenyans were jailed for three months for not paying a meal bill of Kshs 150. No lawyer said a word......uuuhhhh. Fak me!!. There was no revenue stream there!! “Law school teaches you one thing above all: how to speak while saying absolutely nothing.” ― Krysten Ritter, Bonfire In a situation where Alma agrees with Much Know and Njunge the rest of human beings should know they are wrong. Bail/bond is not a right. If it were, then there would be no reason for the lawyers to waste our time in court arguing about it. The Judge can deny bail or make bail very expensive. I hope they grant the bail but give them same amount as they stole. Economic criminals are worse than rapists and murderers combined and should be catwalking in and out of courts as they wish. This type of crime should be dealt with absolutely. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 563 Location: Embakasi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Bail/bond is a right. No rationale for denying Kenyans their right. Slideshows!!! One is free to apply for it but they are not guaranteed to get it. In a place where thought is abandoned, freedom can become a curse.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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Where are those lawyers and the rest who are shouting "rights" wapelekee Anne sausages and bacon?. She's told the judge she is starving. It's as if she is the only inmate or the rest of Kenyans in remand eat ballast for supper. Jinga sana!!. Thanks God, the good judge heard none of that nonsense!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Njunge wrote:Where are those lawyers and the rest who are shouting "rights" wapelekee Anne sausages and bacon?. She's told the judge she is starving. It's as if she is the only inmate or the rest of Kenyans in remand eat ballast for supper. Jinga sana!!. Thanks God, the good judge heard none of that nonsense! You guys are sadists yawa In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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