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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. 
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
"Evidently from the description of the charges and arguments, all the accused are people of different means. There are those who will meet stringent bond terms and there are those who will not. How can the Court then exercise Art 27(1) without being accused of bias? They all face a joint charge in all the case files opened against them. What is a reasonable bond then when some are bound to afford while others cannot. Can it be staggered without being accused of discrimination?"
Very defective reasoning.
The Court of Appeal has held severally that a Bond Application cannot constitute a common parlay
Each accused's case is considered on its own merit independent of the commonality of the charges.
possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
"Evidently from the description of the charges and arguments, all the accused are people of different means. There are those who will meet stringent bond terms and there are those who will not. How can the Court then exercise Art 27(1) without being accused of bias? They all face a joint charge in all the case files opened against them. What is a reasonable bond then when some are bound to afford while others cannot. Can it be staggered without being accused of discrimination?"
Very defective reasoning.
The Court of Appeal has held severally that a Bond Application cannot constitute a common parlay
Each accused's case is considered on its own merit independent of the commonality of the charges.
possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
If the judge has reason to believe that you are a in a position to undermine justice, you are denied bail "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
If the judge has reason to believe that you are a in a position to undermine justice, you are denied bail
playing to the gallery
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
If the judge has reason to believe that you are a in a position to undermine justice, you are denied bail
With corruption, the tougher the judge the faster the case goes, if given bail, cases will go on forever. Wacha wakae ndani, what is remand for? Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/12/2014 Posts: 96
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
what do you mean? my money !lipstick and tattoos!!
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/12/2014 Posts: 96
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:
I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
what do you mean? my money !lipstick and tattoos!!
If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
The courts should follow the law and stop playing politics with the rights of the accused ie right to bail.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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This ahmednasir idiot who just follows rich people in courts and streets and hotels is a Kumbaff!!!!! Where is his big mouth when poor people spend months in remand without bail? How does he manage to charge government hundreds of millions "legal fees" aka "yapping fee" in a poor country like kenya?  A thieve who uses law, and wants to drive all the corruption funds into lawyer hands, hatutakubali, go bail out poor people in Kibera, jinga wewe! Clever lawyers and "laws for the rich" and another set for the poor, atapatikana tu one of this days, My peddi just spent weeks in cells for kitu one stone of weed. The law does not belong to ahamednasir idiotic head, he DARED maraga the same way claiming to be the controller of law and maraga did what the idiot was saying cannot be done. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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And bails and bonds even if available are not always affordable!!! Why go through all this arguments in court? Why? Just keep the corruption peeps in the cooler till the "grand corruption" ends then Kenya will be a much better place, the magistrate is VERY INNOVATIVE and insightful. Ras Kienyeji Man
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