wazua Fri, Mar 20, 2026
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In

14 Pages«<678910>»
ARM Cement FY 2017 disaster - 6.5bn loss
xxxxx
#71 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 7:45:46 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Have the auditors flagged anything but the current ratio?
The assets have a lower value in a fire sale situation so ARM needs to sell this as a whole.
I wonder what the breakdown is in losses Kenya vs TZ.

KK was also losing money in TZ. Ohana said the atmosphere was toxic. KE firms aren’t liked.
Perhaps ARM needs to sell the biz. Dangote has a factory down south. He should buy ATM TZ in the north!


ARM is very economical with their results. I would love to see their gross margins, operating margins and net margins. I would also have loved to see their segmental reports. Bure kabisa

That's given in the Annual Report. Even KK doesn't give that info in the "results announcement"...
Will ARM have an Investor Presentation or Conf Call?


Of course not...if they didn't do them during the years of plenty, expect nothing during these lean years. What kind if management spends half a newspaper advert talking about board changes while financial results are unnecessarily summarized? Its like CMA and NSE don't have minimum disclosure standards.
lochaz-index
#72 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 7:59:50 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
Looking at the results, I get the impression that the balance sheet is lying. The cashflow statement says the core business is haemorrhaging money at a suicidal rate yet the balance sheet is of the opinion that the company is sitting on a gold mine of an asset book(NAV of 20). Shouldn't the prescription to turn around this patient be straight forward? Sell/cut off the gangrenous/ancillary parts as quickly as possible to prop up the business and by extension the company. ARM should not be in the current predicament with that balance sheet not unless they have juiced the figures in there by ridiculous margins.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
murchr
#73 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 8:26:20 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
lochaz-index wrote:
Looking at the results, I get the impression that the balance sheet is lying. The cashflow statement says the core business is haemorrhaging money at a suicidal rate yet the balance sheet is of the opinion that the company is sitting on a gold mine of an asset book(NAV of 20). Shouldn't the prescription to turn around this patient be straight forward? Sell/cut off the gangrenous/ancillary parts as quickly as possible to prop up the business and by extension the company. ARM should not be in the current predicament with that balance sheet not unless they have juiced the figures in there by ridiculous margins.


Sorry to say but that could be the case. Even the auditors were concerned
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
sparkly
#74 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:36:27 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
murchr wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
Looking at the results, I get the impression that the balance sheet is lying. The cashflow statement says the core business is haemorrhaging money at a suicidal rate yet the balance sheet is of the opinion that the company is sitting on a gold mine of an asset book(NAV of 20). Shouldn't the prescription to turn around this patient be straight forward? Sell/cut off the gangrenous/ancillary parts as quickly as possible to prop up the business and by extension the company. ARM should not be in the current predicament with that balance sheet not unless they have juiced the figures in there by ridiculous margins.


Sorry to say but that could be the case. Even the auditors were concerned


Anyone with the full financials?
Life is short. Live passionately.
HaMaina
#75 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 12:45:27 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/23/2014
Posts: 931
Auditor raises the red flag on ARM

https://www.businessdail...94378-p3h7r1/index.html
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
mlennyma
#76 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 3:59:00 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
HaMaina wrote:
Auditor raises the red flag on ARM

https://www.businessdail...94378-p3h7r1/index.html

So why the buying appetite?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Metch
#77 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 4:13:47 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/22/2015
Posts: 224
Location: Mombasa, Kenya
mlennyma wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Auditor raises the red flag on ARM

https://www.businessdail...94378-p3h7r1/index.html

So why the buying appetite?


PPT. they will soon be exhausted and the downward spiral will resume
Start!
VituVingiSana
#78 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 4:20:25 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
mlennyma wrote:
HaMaina wrote:
Auditor raises the red flag on ARM

https://www.businessdail...94378-p3h7r1/index.html

So why the buying appetite?

I am not an investor in ARM but it seems to me folks are looking at the 85% discount to NAV (FY 2017). So even if 50% of the NAV is lost in FY 2018, there's still a hefty margin if a Strategic Investor comes and buys out the minorities at 10/-.

That said, think of KQ which had a Rights at 14 when NAV was much higher BUT still burned through the new cash and the "old" NAV to end up with -ve NAV... then had a GoK bailout with cheap loans and did a coerced Debt Conversion... and now wants the assets of KAA to use as collateral!

So be careful!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
heri
#79 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 6:46:49 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 9/14/2011
Posts: 869
Location: nairobi
Have staff been paid their June salaries?
obiero
#80 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 6:47:53 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
heri wrote:
Have staff been paid their June salaries?

Good question

KQ ABP 4.26
14 Pages«<678910>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2026 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.