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Kenya Re - 2018 and beyond
obiero
#121 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2018 9:57:37 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mulla wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
PBT up 8% y-on-y to stand at 3.7B up from 3.3B dividend KES 0.85


6% dividend increase not bad.

That's PAT actually. PBT 4.558 2017 vs 4.218 2016

Food for thought....closer to the 2022 gen. election might dividends be reduced for arap singh's campaign trail.......Think Think


Its not wise to make a decision based on fear.
The results so far are good.Lets wait for next audited results.
FY 2017 was under Mwarania. FY 2018 will be under the new regime. I fear that "real estate" investments will take a central role. We know what happened in years past.

Hehe


Even on its best days this share didn't generate any worthwhile gains so if you're still on this bus exit safely before 2022 carnage.

How do you define a worthwhile gain?
You are simply looking at the "share price" [BTW, I do not disagree with your conclusion now that the 2022 "eating" brigade is in charge] versus the gains in the intrinsic value over the past 6 years. The NAV (a lot of it in cash/T-Bonds) has almost doubled over 6 years.

Warren Buffett: “Long ago, Ben Graham taught me that ‘Price is what you pay; value is what you get.’ Whether we’re talking about socks or stocks, I like buying quality merchandise when it is marked down.”

Warren Buffett’s buying wisdom can be condensed into 2 statements:
1) Buy great businesses when they are trading at fair or better prices.
2) This occurs when short-term traders become pessimistic.

KenRe is a great business. It wasn't one for speculators over the past 6 years.
The catch is that a good manager has been replaced by a cabal of crooks.
I (currently) remain hopeful that the cabal is forced to competitively hire a good manager to replace Mwarania. Think KQ. I do not think they will allow Mwarania back. The sad bit about KQ is that Mikosz was brought in AFTER the looting was complete. The same could happen at KenRe.


Buffet also talks about looking at the character of the guys at the top before looking at the books.My reference to worthwhile gains was with in reference to anyone who may want to cash out now.

When I first invested in KenRe, it had was led by Mwarania. It was a steady solid performance. [EPS, NAV]. The recent (FY 2018) change is worrisome. I have not bought a single KenRe share since.

poor @vvs

KQ ABP 4.26
obiero
#122 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2018 10:01:16 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
@vvs seems your fear of GoK stocks is being manifested at KENRE

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#123 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2018 10:01:45 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mulla wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
PBT up 8% y-on-y to stand at 3.7B up from 3.3B dividend KES 0.85


6% dividend increase not bad.

That's PAT actually. PBT 4.558 2017 vs 4.218 2016

Food for thought....closer to the 2022 gen. election might dividends be reduced for arap singh's campaign trail.......Think Think


Its not wise to make a decision based on fear.
The results so far are good.Lets wait for next audited results.
FY 2017 was under Mwarania. FY 2018 will be under the new regime. I fear that "real estate" investments will take a central role. We know what happened in years past.

Hehe


Even on its best days this share didn't generate any worthwhile gains so if you're still on this bus exit safely before 2022 carnage.

How do you define a worthwhile gain?
You are simply looking at the "share price" [BTW, I do not disagree with your conclusion now that the 2022 "eating" brigade is in charge] versus the gains in the intrinsic value over the past 6 years. The NAV (a lot of it in cash/T-Bonds) has almost doubled over 6 years.

Warren Buffett: “Long ago, Ben Graham taught me that ‘Price is what you pay; value is what you get.’ Whether we’re talking about socks or stocks, I like buying quality merchandise when it is marked down.”

Warren Buffett’s buying wisdom can be condensed into 2 statements:
1) Buy great businesses when they are trading at fair or better prices.
2) This occurs when short-term traders become pessimistic.

KenRe is a great business. It wasn't one for speculators over the past 6 years.
The catch is that a good manager has been replaced by a cabal of crooks.
I (currently) remain hopeful that the cabal is forced to competitively hire a good manager to replace Mwarania. Think KQ. I do not think they will allow Mwarania back. The sad bit about KQ is that Mikosz was brought in AFTER the looting was complete. The same could happen at KenRe.


Buffet also talks about looking at the character of the guys at the top before looking at the books.My reference to worthwhile gains was with in reference to anyone who may want to cash out now.

When I first invested in KenRe, it had was led by Mwarania. It was a steady solid performance. [EPS, NAV]. The recent (FY 2018) change is worrisome. I have not bought a single KenRe share since.

@vss seems your fear of GoK stocks is being manifested


Investing in Africa requires skill and skin
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ebenyo
#124 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2018 1:30:54 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
mulla wrote:
obiero wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
PBT up 8% y-on-y to stand at 3.7B up from 3.3B dividend KES 0.85


6% dividend increase not bad.

That's PAT actually. PBT 4.558 2017 vs 4.218 2016

Food for thought....closer to the 2022 gen. election might dividends be reduced for arap singh's campaign trail.......Think Think


Its not wise to make a decision based on fear.
The results so far are good.Lets wait for next audited results.
FY 2017 was under Mwarania. FY 2018 will be under the new regime. I fear that "real estate" investments will take a central role. We know what happened in years past.

Hehe


Even on its best days this share didn't generate any worthwhile gains so if you're still on this bus exit safely before 2022 carnage.


im not exiting.i will go by the financial results.so far so good.If Mwarania is back,good if they bring someone else,fine.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
murchr
#125 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 10:35:22 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
A court has directed Kenya Reinsurance Corporation and its former Managing Director Jadiah Mwarania to settle their dispute out of court.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#126 Posted : Monday, June 04, 2018 10:38:09 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935


He will be paid handsomely, but will not be reinstated!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#127 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 8:43:32 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI


Hana support ya Kinyua at this time.He's alone so trying to get something
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#128 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 9:37:14 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:

Hana support ya Kinyua at this time.He's alone so trying to get something
Sold down the river. The genesis of his dismissal it seems was the directive by Kinyua to him as CEO to process new candidates for the board.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ebenyo
#129 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 2:03:46 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,016
Location: Kitale


This is good directive.It will end the long protracted legal battle.
Mwarania should be paid his dues,then the company to hire a new MD and the issue will be over.
Under the polarised environment,mwarania cant work with the current board effectively.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
Ericsson
#130 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2018 2:13:53 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Ebenyo wrote:


This is good directive.It will end the long protracted legal battle.
Mwarania should be paid his dues,then the company to hire a new MD and the issue will be over.
Under the polarised environment,mwarania cant work with the current board effectively.


Spot on Ebenyo
He's fate sealed.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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