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FRM2011 wrote:Thitifini wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Thitifini wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hamburglar wrote:I saw on TV Ruto talking about curbing corruption and calling for the arrest of all those implicated in the NYS scandal. My question is, does this Ruto guy really have a conscience? I literally almost threw up.
This guy has a big hotel sitting on grabbed public land and yet he has the audacity to lecture people on the ills of corruption? Really?
I have never seen a bigger hypocrite in my life. On Sunday he will be in church seated on the front pew shutting his eyes deep in prayer and acting all godly and then go to the office on Monday morning to scheme and plot how to steal more from Kenyans and how to eliminate his political opponents. How godly. Unbelievable.
Why can't Uhuru just put his foot down and tell these people that they can't do that shit under his presidency? Is it because Ruto helped him win the presidency and Waiguru is a long time friend? Maybe it's just me, but if I were president and my friends thought they could take advantage of my presidency to steal from hard working citizens, they would be in for a shock. I really can't stand people who have no integrity. We can be friends but don't bring your low life crap into our friendship. That shit is not going to fly with me.
People are demonizing that Girita family because they are a bunch of nobodys, why didn't they follow Waiguru and Ruto with the same vigor when they were accused of stealing public property? I am not defending these NYS suspects but if we are to start genuinely prosecuting folks then let's not act like we don't know who the biggest thieves in Kenya are. Let's audit Waiguru first and then reposses the land that Weston Hotel sits on. We can also revist criminal incidences of sijui akina Wetangula's Tokyo embassy saga and other past cases like that while we are at it. Let's start there. Why is Kabura not in prison even after confessing to collecting money in sacks? Let's put all these people in prison first before we can start applauding this small NYS arrests feat that won't go anywhere anyway. Plus children he has out of wedlock, adultery. They are accepted coz he takes care of them, surely!!! Sometimes we demonize based on hearsay. Who has the evidence this guy stole? Mbona hajapeleka kotini? If I say @AA is a thieve because she is driving a V8, does that make @AA a thief? What of he just worked hard for his $$? If the hotel is on grabbed land, where is proof that he is the one who grabbed ama it's because Nyakundi twitted so? Maybe he bought innocently a grabbed land? He's not my no. 1 fan, but maybe he is better that me, who knows; only ths gods know. And kuddos to him for owning up his deeds (kids)  , a man is to err.....my Granddad had 6 wives na sijaskia akiambiwa hatawai ona mbinguni. (Even King David (so called 'man of God') alikuwa ananyakua za marafiki..... Haiyaa!!!!! You guys have started already. There are things that stink too much no cologne in the world can mask the stench. Directly opposite Serena hotel is a road Kibaki built that joins procession way to state house road. Your role model had to surrender the title deed to that road to avoid being charged. As in he had grabbed a road reserve and secured a title. Need I mention about the KPC 270M fraud. Your saved uncle once went to KPC and offered to sell them land in Ngong . They wired 270M to him and that was the last they had of him. Just so you know the land he was to sell them belonged to govt. Not a big deal. He could have grabbed it and transferred the title to KPC but didn't bother. Impunity is a nice thing. Now, with all this information (assuming you are talking from evidence not hearsay), how come you as an individual has not done anything about it in the courts? Ama we are substituting courts with ballots? If this was true, why then did no private invidual not provide this evidence to block him from running for public office? Really ???? There was the 100 acres of land belonging to an IDP who had to run after the pev in 2007. An under-age girl, 13 to be precise, bought the land and transferred to your saved uncle. Jeeezus. Stealing land from an IDP?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:Kenya has 2 courts 1) the court of public opinion... which is a real court... it dispenses justice on hearsay and this is fine! 2) the court of law... which is a real court... it dispenses justice based on evidence. So if you are a private citizen - you just need to appeal to the second court... if you are a public officer/state officer you have to win in the first first  before the second! Now @masukuma, you have captured my thoughts exactly!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:Thitifini wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hamburglar wrote:I saw on TV Ruto talking about curbing corruption and calling for the arrest of all those implicated in the NYS scandal. My question is, does this Ruto guy really have a conscience? I literally almost threw up.
This guy has a big hotel sitting on grabbed public land and yet he has the audacity to lecture people on the ills of corruption? Really?
I have never seen a bigger hypocrite in my life. On Sunday he will be in church seated on the front pew shutting his eyes deep in prayer and acting all godly and then go to the office on Monday morning to scheme and plot how to steal more from Kenyans and how to eliminate his political opponents. How godly. Unbelievable.
Why can't Uhuru just put his foot down and tell these people that they can't do that shit under his presidency? Is it because Ruto helped him win the presidency and Waiguru is a long time friend? Maybe it's just me, but if I were president and my friends thought they could take advantage of my presidency to steal from hard working citizens, they would be in for a shock. I really can't stand people who have no integrity. We can be friends but don't bring your low life crap into our friendship. That shit is not going to fly with me.
People are demonizing that Girita family because they are a bunch of nobodys, why didn't they follow Waiguru and Ruto with the same vigor when they were accused of stealing public property? I am not defending these NYS suspects but if we are to start genuinely prosecuting folks then let's not act like we don't know who the biggest thieves in Kenya are. Let's audit Waiguru first and then reposses the land that Weston Hotel sits on. We can also revist criminal incidences of sijui akina Wetangula's Tokyo embassy saga and other past cases like that while we are at it. Let's start there. Why is Kabura not in prison even after confessing to collecting money in sacks? Let's put all these people in prison first before we can start applauding this small NYS arrests feat that won't go anywhere anyway. Plus children he has out of wedlock, adultery. They are accepted coz he takes care of them, surely!!! Sometimes we demonize based on hearsay. Who has the evidence this guy stole? Mbona hajapeleka kotini? If I say @AA is a thieve because she is driving a V8, does that make @AA a thief? What of he just worked hard for his $$? If the hotel is on grabbed land, where is proof that he is the one who grabbed ama it's because Nyakundi twitted so? Maybe he bought innocently a grabbed land? He's not my no. 1 fan, but maybe he is better that me, who knows; only ths gods know. And kuddos to him for owning up his deeds (kids) , a man is to err.....my Granddad had 6 wives na sijaskia akiambiwa hatawai ona mbinguni. (Even King David (so called 'man of God') alikuwa ananyakua za marafiki..... Shady people are usually the ones who start quoting the bible to try and justify their character flaws. What do you mean by man is to err? What kind of error is this that had a married man sleep with a woman who is not his wife multiple times until he got her pregnant? How many times did he err? Is that really an error? Listen, people like you who make excuses to try and justify things that are obviously wrong is what's wrong with society. I can understand when a soccer player errs and scores an own goal or when a driver errs and causes and accident, but what kind of error is this that is done repeatedly? Sometimes I don't understand people who claim to be religious and yet they are the most scandalous people on earth. If you are married, stick to your wife or leave her if you are not done "erring". And you actually have the audacity to try to defend what was obviously wrong by quoting the bible for support? Some things are just unbelievable. As for the other hogwash that you've written up there about sijui innocently buying grabbed land, I won't honor that with a reply. I'm a pragmatist. On bible and kuran, I view them as great philosophical books which can guide a society. Full stop. My thinking on what is wrong with the society (my thinking!!);- we judge based on hearsay and not evidence. Then we condemn. Now, one study indicated 67% of ke men are sleeping with mpangos. An understatement of course, but aren't these the same guys casting the first stone?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:I was wondering where the AACK guy had gone to. Kumbe yuko area! Hehe, can only 'throw stones' after several rounds of mbarothi. Mybe after some more growing up I will be a bit consistent. Saa hii wacha nipate wisdom ya wazee.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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The Ngiritas got 239.xy Million  Greed "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Thitifini wrote:hamburglar wrote:Thitifini wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hamburglar wrote:I saw on TV Ruto talking about curbing corruption and calling for the arrest of all those implicated in the NYS scandal. My question is, does this Ruto guy really have a conscience? I literally almost threw up.
This guy has a big hotel sitting on grabbed public land and yet he has the audacity to lecture people on the ills of corruption? Really?
I have never seen a bigger hypocrite in my life. On Sunday he will be in church seated on the front pew shutting his eyes deep in prayer and acting all godly and then go to the office on Monday morning to scheme and plot how to steal more from Kenyans and how to eliminate his political opponents. How godly. Unbelievable.
Why can't Uhuru just put his foot down and tell these people that they can't do that shit under his presidency? Is it because Ruto helped him win the presidency and Waiguru is a long time friend? Maybe it's just me, but if I were president and my friends thought they could take advantage of my presidency to steal from hard working citizens, they would be in for a shock. I really can't stand people who have no integrity. We can be friends but don't bring your low life crap into our friendship. That shit is not going to fly with me.
People are demonizing that Girita family because they are a bunch of nobodys, why didn't they follow Waiguru and Ruto with the same vigor when they were accused of stealing public property? I am not defending these NYS suspects but if we are to start genuinely prosecuting folks then let's not act like we don't know who the biggest thieves in Kenya are. Let's audit Waiguru first and then reposses the land that Weston Hotel sits on. We can also revist criminal incidences of sijui akina Wetangula's Tokyo embassy saga and other past cases like that while we are at it. Let's start there. Why is Kabura not in prison even after confessing to collecting money in sacks? Let's put all these people in prison first before we can start applauding this small NYS arrests feat that won't go anywhere anyway. Plus children he has out of wedlock, adultery. They are accepted coz he takes care of them, surely!!! Sometimes we demonize based on hearsay. Who has the evidence this guy stole? Mbona hajapeleka kotini? If I say @AA is a thieve because she is driving a V8, does that make @AA a thief? What of he just worked hard for his $$? If the hotel is on grabbed land, where is proof that he is the one who grabbed ama it's because Nyakundi twitted so? Maybe he bought innocently a grabbed land? He's not my no. 1 fan, but maybe he is better that me, who knows; only ths gods know. And kuddos to him for owning up his deeds (kids) , a man is to err.....my Granddad had 6 wives na sijaskia akiambiwa hatawai ona mbinguni. (Even King David (so called 'man of God') alikuwa ananyakua za marafiki..... Shady people are usually the ones who start quoting the bible to try and justify their character flaws. What do you mean by man is to err? What kind of error is this that had a married man sleep with a woman who is not his wife multiple times until he got her pregnant? How many times did he err? Is that really an error? Listen, people like you who make excuses to try and justify things that are obviously wrong is what's wrong with society. I can understand when a soccer player errs and scores an own goal or when a driver errs and causes and accident, but what kind of error is this that is done repeatedly? Sometimes I don't understand people who claim to be religious and yet they are the most scandalous people on earth. If you are married, stick to your wife or leave her if you are not done "erring". And you actually have the audacity to try to defend what was obviously wrong by quoting the bible for support? Some things are just unbelievable. As for the other hogwash that you've written up there about sijui innocently buying grabbed land, I won't honor that with a reply. I'm a pragmatist. On bible and kuran, I view them as great philosophical books which can guide a society. Full stop. My thinking on what is wrong with the society (my thinking!!);- we judge based on hearsay and not evidence. Then we condemn. Now, one study indicated 67% of ke men are sleeping with mpangos. An understatement of course, but aren't these the same guys casting the first stone? here we go again. equating a man wanting to sleep with a woman. With a some kids who were teargassed to open the way for a hotel. Thifitini, on issues about Ruto's morality, you shall lose all the time... Tell us why he's better than raira. That's your only hope in life. This guy charo nefa mbe in central. Don't ask me, ask the guys on wazua. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bnruP0K9E The Ngiritas got 239.xy Million Greed The ngiritas are just fronts/conduits. Which organisation decides to pay some random company 239m? The top management must have approved. The way these things work is that since govt officers arent allowed to do business with govt, and the officers know there is some 239m to be spent, they identify some friendly company already doing business with them to siphon the funds through. They then ensure all the paper work is done and money is paid. Then the ngiritas withdraw the money and hand it over the govt officials in gunias to prevent electronic trails, and the ngiritas are given some 5% facilitation fee for their trouble. The bank managers are also given a few million to facilitate the huge withdrawals and to make them keep quiet and not inform central bank about the funds movement.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Jail all these thieves including the bank facilitators. Govt should ensure they pay every dime and have all their earthly possessions auctioned. i.am.back!!!!
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bnruP0K9E The Ngiritas got 239.xy Million Greed The bank managers are also given a few million to facilitate the huge withdrawals and to make them keep quiet and not inform central bank about the funds movement. This why i am hoping they nail one bank and suspend their license.That will be a lesson. Forget the one of firing a couple of managers as happened with Family bank last time out. I really hope this happens.
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Njunge wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bnruP0K9E The Ngiritas got 239.xy Million Greed The bank managers are also given a few million to facilitate the huge withdrawals and to make them keep quiet and not inform central bank about the funds movement. This why i am hoping they nail one bank and suspend their license.That will be a lesson. Forget the one of firing a couple of managers as happened with Family bank last time out. I really hope this happens. The banks should be fined as much as the loss they facilitated. Innocent Kenyans require their cash I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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So some witnesses did not show up in court today, neither did they present themselves to the DCI by or on Thursday as per the courts wishes . Their lawyer says they were held in traffic. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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The struggle is real   "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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We may sooon have prison familities, starting with Ngirita Four. Looks like evebody is getting tired with thieves. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges.
BBI will solve it :)
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2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. That bail issue will be overturned... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week.
BBI will solve it :)
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2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:Baratang wrote:2012 wrote:I think this magistrate or judge is doing this due to public pressure and expectations. These are not serious charges. If you think they are not serious charges, just drop to Botswana or even China and after that we will compare notes. I'm not saying the offense is not serious. I'm saying it is bailable and once the temperatures cool they will be allowed to post bail but it will be high, the ones who can afford the high amount of bail will be out. And I can bet you this will happen as soon as next week. At a time when we grant bail to murder suspects, these too will be given on appeal "Evidently from the description of the charges and arguments, all the accused are people of different means. There are those who will meet stringent bond terms and there are those who will not. How can the Court then exercise Art 27(1) without being accused of bias? They all face a joint charge in all the case files opened against them. What is a reasonable bond then when some are bound to afford while others cannot. Can it be staggered without being accused of discrimination?" Very defective reasoning. The Court of Appeal has held severally that a Bond Application cannot constitute a common parlay Each accused's case is considered on its own merit independent of the commonality of the charges. possunt quia posse videntur
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