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xxxxx
#361 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:03:13 AM
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Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are actual ARM shareholders?


Why? What difference does that make??


Ermmm, out of curiosity?


Someone please remind @ARMCEMENT to report their 2017 financial results. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what investors are all running away from.

Lower lows in next few hours.. KES 2.45


We're resigned to lower lows each day til kingdom come. But what we need are the financial results published. The lows at that point are the ones that may freak us out.
littledove
#362 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:18:27 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 7/1/2014
Posts: 927
Location: sky
xxxxx wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are actual ARM shareholders?


Why? What difference does that make??


Ermmm, out of curiosity?


Someone please remind @ARMCEMENT to report their 2017 financial results. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what investors are all running away from.

Lower lows in next few hours.. KES 2.45


We're resigned to lower lows each day til kingdom come. But what we need are the financial results published. The lows at that point are the ones that may freak us out.

xxxx dont worry im also in with average of 6.47 and buying 2000 shares every day (after every dip).
also remember their is a new method of shafting wanjiku at nse. pull the price down as much as possible and then place an offer at a price of your choice mostly likely a big discount to nav and since investors are desperate they just accept. at the end of this wait for a very crazy offer from buyers, here we are likely to end up in that thread of "the worst mistake we have ever made..
There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
sparkly
#363 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:22:53 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ericsson
#364 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:30:30 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,809
Location: NAIROBI
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.


ARM doesn't need working capital.
What ARM needs is buyers for it's products.
Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
xxxxx
#365 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:49:54 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.


Dilution is the name of the game. I suppose sometimes it works out fine..Look at Total - worked out very well. What I refuse to believe is that @ARM is dead which is the what all naysayers keep saying
VituVingiSana
#366 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:58:05 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,351
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.


ARM doesn't need working capital.
What ARM needs is buyers for it's products.
Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment

Lack of working capital does (often) lead to a shortage of goods to sell.
It's a vicious cycle.
Employees bailing out is not good for the company. They will find other ways to make up for the shortfall in their perceived wealth. They will not remain loyal.
I hope ARM survives this considering we have very few listed firms, this could scare other firms from listing and we need competition to keep prices low(er).
Existing shareholders should expect to own a much smaller piece of ARM after another investor is found.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#367 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 10:06:12 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,351
Location: Nairobi
littledove wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
obiero wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are actual ARM shareholders?


Why? What difference does that make??


Ermmm, out of curiosity?


Someone please remind @ARMCEMENT to report their 2017 financial results. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what investors are all running away from.

Lower lows in next few hours.. KES 2.45


We're resigned to lower lows each day til kingdom come. But what we need are the financial results published. The lows at that point are the ones that may freak us out.

xxxx dont worry im also in with average of 6.47 and buying 2000 shares every day (after every dip).
also remember their is a new method of shafting wanjiku at nse. pull the price down as much as possible and then place an offer at a price of your choice mostly likely a big discount to nav and since investors are desperate they just accept. at the end of this wait for a very crazy offer from buyers, here we are likely to end up in that thread of "the worst mistake we have ever made..

Unga did quite well in 2015-16.

It is not 100% analogous but Unga bought Ennsvalley from the Ndegwas at a crazy high price.
Ennsvalley primary asset was debt owed by Nakumatt.
Ndegwas also own Knight Frank which manages many malls in which Nakumatt was a tenant so they knew Nakumatt was in financial trouble.
In 2016-17, Unga had to write off Ennvalley' assets & goodwill almost entirely. Plus the losses running Ennsvalley.
And Unga sold its shares in the PROFITABLE Bullpak at only 7x earnings. With the switch to paper from plastic, this business is now running 24/7.

Then in 2018, Seaboard+Victus wants to buy the Unga minority out at 40/share.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
muandiwambeu
#368 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 10:06:45 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.


ARM doesn't need working capital.
What ARM needs is buyers for it's products.
Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment

Tthis knee jerk reaction with shares will leave some people holding brukenges. Juzi 2.70 was NO GO, now somebody what's its all in. Nah.. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Ericsson
#369 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 10:12:29 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,809
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
sparkly wrote:
xxxxx wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Spikes wrote:
ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully .

KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt


Even ARM is under UK government support.

You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps?


I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact.


It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of itShame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Or Are you buying lots of it??Drool Drool


CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support.

Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government.
The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that.
Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ.
ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much.
KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc.

I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest.


Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free.

ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC.

In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms.

Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares.


ARM doesn't need working capital.
What ARM needs is buyers for it's products.
Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment

Lack of working capital does (often) lead to a shortage of goods to sell.
It's a vicious cycle.
Employees bailing out is not good for the company. They will find other ways to make up for the shortfall in their perceived wealth. They will not remain loyal.
I hope ARM survives this considering we have very few listed firms, this could scare other firms from listing and we need competition to keep prices low(er).
Existing shareholders should expect to own a much smaller piece of ARM after another investor is found.


@vvs
There is enough competition to keep prices lower.
ARM cement wasn't the cheapest in the market.
We still have the following cement manufaturers even if ARM dies;
Lafarge Bamburi
Mombasa cement
Savanna
East Africa portland
Simba Cement

ARM dying won't scare other investors from listing in the NSE.
What is needed is good management and visionary leadership in kenyan companies
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Fyatu
#370 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 11:53:52 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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