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Authorities are aware that the dam will overflow anytime from now. That is DISASTER. Is there anything being done to secure lives ama it's a wait and see situation? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Guka that is the reality of us Kenyans, being proactive is not part of our DNA "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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murchr wrote:Guka that is the reality of us Kenyans, being proactive is not part of our DNA SAD!!.....It's most likely those downstream are not aware of what is about to happen. Talk about sitting ducks ...
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/30/2006 Posts: 2
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murchr wrote:Guka that is the reality of us Kenyans, being proactive is not part of our DNA True even this discussion will be a hot topic next week after the down straem effects
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Then we start blaming the devil or say it's God's will. Bure Kabisa! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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But the downstream has been flooded for some time.  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:But the downstream has been flooded for some time. Yes after the spillways of Kiambere were opened. Masinga is the largest of the dams. PS once Masinga overflows, overflow at Kiambere will be definite. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. This is what i mean when I say "in series"......the water will just flow into the next dam/ 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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With some much water, the turbines should be running at full capacity and therefore our power bills should go down considerably. That is what keter should be concentrating on, not telling us the obvious that tana will flood.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. The reason those dams exist is to mitigate flooding(hold and control water coming from the catchment areas of Mt.Kenya ), once they overflow flooding downstream is inevitable. However, more dams are needed downstream of Kiambere to control water coming from rivers in the Meru area that drain water uncontrollably in the Tana - eg. River Kathita, Thuci, Ena Mutonga "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. The reason those dams exist is to mitigate flooding(hold and control water coming from the catchment areas of Mt.Kenya ), once they overflow flooding downstream is inevitable. However, more dams are needed downstream of Kiambere to control water coming from rivers in the Meru area that drain water uncontrollably in the Tana - eg. River Kathita, Thuci, Ena Mutonga Nope. The reason for the dams is to generate hydropower. Flood control was an AOB. Infact environmentalists were up in arms against govt for constructing the dams because they reduced the intensity of annual flooding downstream that negatively affected the ecosystems downstream such as tana river riverine forests and the tana delta. Before the dams the annual floods used to recharge huge areas with water and this made the areas important farmlands, grazing areas and wildlife habitats. After the dams were constructed the flooded area shrunk with negative socio-ecological consequences downstream.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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All dams have a spill way where the "excess" water overflows. Just like your sink has a small hole hapo juu that drains the excess water when your sink is full so as not to flood your house. A dam overflow is actually a good thing. If the patel dam had a spillway that allowed the water to overflow, it wouldn't have collapsed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. The reason those dams exist is to mitigate flooding(hold and control water coming from the catchment areas of Mt.Kenya ), once they overflow flooding downstream is inevitable. However, more dams are needed downstream of Kiambere to control water coming from rivers in the Meru area that drain water uncontrollably in the Tana - eg. River Kathita, Thuci, Ena Mutonga Nope. The reason for the dams is to generate hydropower. Flood control was an AOB. Infact environmentalists were up in arms against govt for constructing the dams because they reduced the intensity of annual flooding downstream that negatively affected the ecosystems downstream such as tana river riverine forests and the tana delta. Before the dams the annual floods used to recharge huge areas with water and this made the areas important farmlands, grazing areas and wildlife habitats. After the dams were constructed the flooded area shrunk with negative socio-ecological consequences downstream. So the dams do not mitigate flooding? Quote:The projects include; Masinga, Kindaruma, Kiambere, Gaturu, Kamburu, Mutonga and Grand falls. They were established mainly to provide hydro electric power, to control flooding in the lower Tana basin and to increase food production through irrigation of crops. Before their establishment, Kenya used to rely on power from the Owen falls hydroelectric power station in at jinja in Uganda. Expand your vocabulary sir. The 2 dams Mutonga and Grand falls have not been put up yet, they WOULD control waters flowing from the rivers mentioned above (from meru Embu) reducing flooding further. However, since dams fill up and spills, once the gates are opened flooding is inevitable "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. The reason those dams exist is to mitigate flooding(hold and control water coming from the catchment areas of Mt.Kenya ), once they overflow flooding downstream is inevitable. However, more dams are needed downstream of Kiambere to control water coming from rivers in the Meru area that drain water uncontrollably in the Tana - eg. River Kathita, Thuci, Ena Mutonga Nope. The reason for the dams is to generate hydropower. Flood control was an AOB. Infact environmentalists were up in arms against govt for constructing the dams because they reduced the intensity of annual flooding downstream that negatively affected the ecosystems downstream such as tana river riverine forests and the tana delta. Before the dams the annual floods used to recharge huge areas with water and this made the areas important farmlands, grazing areas and wildlife habitats. After the dams were constructed the flooded area shrunk with negative socio-ecological consequences downstream. So the dams do not mitigate flooding? Quote:The projects include; Masinga, Kindaruma, Kiambere, Gaturu, Kamburu, Mutonga and Grand falls. They were established mainly to provide hydro electric power, to control flooding in the lower Tana basin and to increase food production through irrigation of crops. Before their establishment, Kenya used to rely on power from the Owen falls hydroelectric power station in at jinja in Uganda. Expand your vocabulary sir. The 2 dams Mutonga and Grand falls have not been put up yet, they WOULD control waters flowing from the rivers mentioned above (from meru Embu) reducing flooding further. However, since dams fill up and spills, once the gates are opened flooding is inevitable As you can see from your quote/link, the main aim was hydropower because we used to import power from jinja. Flood control and irrigation are categorized as "other benefits", AOB as I have said hapo juu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. The reason those dams exist is to mitigate flooding(hold and control water coming from the catchment areas of Mt.Kenya ), once they overflow flooding downstream is inevitable. However, more dams are needed downstream of Kiambere to control water coming from rivers in the Meru area that drain water uncontrollably in the Tana - eg. River Kathita, Thuci, Ena Mutonga Nope. The reason for the dams is to generate hydropower. Flood control was an AOB. Infact environmentalists were up in arms against govt for constructing the dams because they reduced the intensity of annual flooding downstream that negatively affected the ecosystems downstream such as tana river riverine forests and the tana delta. Before the dams the annual floods used to recharge huge areas with water and this made the areas important farmlands, grazing areas and wildlife habitats. After the dams were constructed the flooded area shrunk with negative socio-ecological consequences downstream. So the dams do not mitigate flooding? Quote:The projects include; Masinga, Kindaruma, Kiambere, Gaturu, Kamburu, Mutonga and Grand falls. They were established mainly to provide hydro electric power, to control flooding in the lower Tana basin and to increase food production through irrigation of crops. Before their establishment, Kenya used to rely on power from the Owen falls hydroelectric power station in at jinja in Uganda. Expand your vocabulary sir. The 2 dams Mutonga and Grand falls have not been put up yet, they WOULD control waters flowing from the rivers mentioned above (from meru Embu) reducing flooding further. However, since dams fill up and spills, once the gates are opened flooding is inevitable As you can see from your quote/link, the main aim was hydropower because we used to import power from jinja. Flood control and irrigation are categorized as "other benefits", AOB as I have said hapo juu. The dams were created for 3 main reasons Elec production, flood mitigation and agriculture. No reason is superior to the other. That said, the flooding at Tana will continue if the 2 dams are not constructed which was your issue. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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A spillway as i said is just like that small hole kwa your sink. When you get to the spill (overflow) level all it means is that the water coming from the tap into the sink will be drained without settling in your sink. Same with masinga. It means the waters flowing into the dam will not be stored but will flow just like the river used to flow uninterrupted. However huko downstream there are other dams that will store this "overflowed" water. Also note that flooding in the tana isnt caused only by water from "upcountry". It is raining in the whole country including areas downstream beyond the dams huko garissa, hola, garsen, tana river delta itself etc and all that water ends up in the river. Masinga dam and spillway to the right. When the dam gets full the excess water flows downstream without going through the hydropower turbines (of course not the same water molecules if you get what I mean).  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Nope, the tana floods every year, like it has done for ages, whether spillways are opened or not. It's the way nature is. Also the dams are in series, one after the other, so opening the spillway just means the water flows to the next dam. The reason those dams exist is to mitigate flooding(hold and control water coming from the catchment areas of Mt.Kenya ), once they overflow flooding downstream is inevitable. However, more dams are needed downstream of Kiambere to control water coming from rivers in the Meru area that drain water uncontrollably in the Tana - eg. River Kathita, Thuci, Ena Mutonga Nope. The reason for the dams is to generate hydropower. Flood control was an AOB. Infact environmentalists were up in arms against govt for constructing the dams because they reduced the intensity of annual flooding downstream that negatively affected the ecosystems downstream such as tana river riverine forests and the tana delta. Before the dams the annual floods used to recharge huge areas with water and this made the areas important farmlands, grazing areas and wildlife habitats. After the dams were constructed the flooded area shrunk with negative socio-ecological consequences downstream. So the dams do not mitigate flooding? Quote:The projects include; Masinga, Kindaruma, Kiambere, Gaturu, Kamburu, Mutonga and Grand falls. They were established mainly to provide hydro electric power, to control flooding in the lower Tana basin and to increase food production through irrigation of crops. Before their establishment, Kenya used to rely on power from the Owen falls hydroelectric power station in at jinja in Uganda. Expand your vocabulary sir. The 2 dams Mutonga and Grand falls have not been put up yet, they WOULD control waters flowing from the rivers mentioned above (from meru Embu) reducing flooding further. However, since dams fill up and spills, once the gates are opened flooding is inevitable As you can see from your quote/link, the main aim was hydropower because we used to import power from jinja. Flood control and irrigation are categorized as "other benefits", AOB as I have said hapo juu. The dams were created for 3 main reasons Elec production, flood mitigation and agriculture. No reason is superior to the other. That said, the flooding at Tana will continue if the 2 dams are not constructed which was your issue. That is like saying that no NASA principal is more superior than the other. Weta and mdv "learnt" the hard way.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Spilling began at 4 "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The spillage is more of a trickle...  I don't see it causing any harm downstream.
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