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Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:aemathenge wrote:2012 wrote:Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.
Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.
Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.
Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.
Get tired Kenyans! I wait with wild anticipation to your rebuttal to the sentiments expressed by an Kenian economist I hold in great respect. Copy and paste extract of the sentiments: Quote:When Kenya was governed under a centralised system, grand corruption was a distant affair that benefited a limited circle of individuals.
A farmer could not conceive how he or she would ever get a kickback in the circle of corruption, until devolution.
When county officials divert public finances to their pockets, much of that money remains within the county economy.
It can be used to finance household expenses, education and health costs, as well as generally improve the quality of life of the corrupt individual and those in their circle.
Diverted public monies also become investment funds, where corrupt individuals suddenly have cash that can be directed to business activity.
I have travelled in counties where I have been openly told that this building or that business belongs to a government official.
This government official did not have these assets before, but suddenly they are serious financiers in the county.
And interestingly, these facts are not shared with a tone of bitterness or annoyance, there almost seems to be an appreciation that even if public monies are being stolen, at least they are benefiting the local economy.
After all, businesses are being financed, people are being employed to run and manage them and suddenly there is a new source of income for many.
This is not a justification of corruption, but rather an exploration of how it is evolving.
We seem to have moved on from the days when loot was sequestered in accounts in distant capitals of Europe and North America.
Now when public money is stolen, much of it sticks around.
How will this inform the fight against corruption?
How do strategies that seek to address corruption need to be updated to become relevant again?
These are questions for us all. Source Link From The Business Daily Many years ago Amerika used to be as corrupt as Kenia, if not more. But, being practical fellows, they realised they couldn't fight it, plus corruption has some benefits (more efficient allocation of resources, for one, like the economist above seems to be saying). So they decided to sanitize corruption and this way make it socially acceptable. You now know it as lobbying, facilitation, commission, finders fee, tip, appreciation etc etc. This created an efficient corruption market that largely forced the unit price down, so much that hardly anyone notices. Is there a lesson for us here?  Watching how banks raped US with mortgages, leading to an International market recession... not only getting away with it, but they rewarded themselves; I'm inclined to buy your argument. If we can't beat them ... Kumbe tip is bribing the waiter to serve you better than others... If it is acceptable to tip the waiter, then it should be ok to tip the guy who gave you a multi-million shilling contract. However in our scenario the tip compromises contract delivery. Tips are fine if you deliver In Kenya we are talking about things that don't happen. I give you 1 birrions for doing nothing. That is not tipping, that is theft. You are a thief just like John Gakuo. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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alma1 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:aemathenge wrote:2012 wrote:Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.
Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.
Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.
Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.
Get tired Kenyans! I wait with wild anticipation to your rebuttal to the sentiments expressed by an Kenian economist I hold in great respect. Copy and paste extract of the sentiments: Quote:When Kenya was governed under a centralised system, grand corruption was a distant affair that benefited a limited circle of individuals.
A farmer could not conceive how he or she would ever get a kickback in the circle of corruption, until devolution.
When county officials divert public finances to their pockets, much of that money remains within the county economy.
It can be used to finance household expenses, education and health costs, as well as generally improve the quality of life of the corrupt individual and those in their circle.
Diverted public monies also become investment funds, where corrupt individuals suddenly have cash that can be directed to business activity.
I have travelled in counties where I have been openly told that this building or that business belongs to a government official.
This government official did not have these assets before, but suddenly they are serious financiers in the county.
And interestingly, these facts are not shared with a tone of bitterness or annoyance, there almost seems to be an appreciation that even if public monies are being stolen, at least they are benefiting the local economy.
After all, businesses are being financed, people are being employed to run and manage them and suddenly there is a new source of income for many.
This is not a justification of corruption, but rather an exploration of how it is evolving.
We seem to have moved on from the days when loot was sequestered in accounts in distant capitals of Europe and North America.
Now when public money is stolen, much of it sticks around.
How will this inform the fight against corruption?
How do strategies that seek to address corruption need to be updated to become relevant again?
These are questions for us all. Source Link From The Business Daily Many years ago Amerika used to be as corrupt as Kenia, if not more. But, being practical fellows, they realised they couldn't fight it, plus corruption has some benefits (more efficient allocation of resources, for one, like the economist above seems to be saying). So they decided to sanitize corruption and this way make it socially acceptable. You now know it as lobbying, facilitation, commission, finders fee, tip, appreciation etc etc. This created an efficient corruption market that largely forced the unit price down, so much that hardly anyone notices. Is there a lesson for us here? Watching how banks raped US with mortgages, leading to an International market recession... not only getting away with it, but they rewarded themselves; I'm inclined to buy your argument. If we can't beat them ... Kumbe tip is bribing the waiter to serve you better than others... If it is acceptable to tip the waiter, then it should be ok to tip the guy who gave you a multi-million shilling contract. However in our scenario the tip compromises contract delivery. Tips are fine if you deliver In Kenya we are talking about things that don't happen. I give you 1 birrions for doing nothing. That is not tipping, that is theft. You are a thief just like John Gakuo. You mean like the way Banks made Billion's by selling air to Wanjiku of Amerika, in the name of CDFs, CDCs, repackaged sub prime mortgages and other fluff dreamed up by Wall Street Quant's? And then they got the same Wanjiku to bail them out when their scam hit the rocks? That is not theft of course. After all Bazungu can not steal can they? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Lets put a face to the thieves 1. Caroline Ajow Atieno Mango (unconfirmed reports she is a senior Police officer based in Gigiri.) 2. Briana Sally Ajow 3. Ian Robert Ajow 4. Peris Anyango Ajow They are the directors of Maanti Logistics Carrotexx supplies Jupecar garments Pejows Agencies Sallijow enterprises Iantex enterprises   "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Lets put a face to the thieves 1. Caroline Ajow Atieno Mango (unconfirmed reports she is a senior Police officer based in Gigiri.) 2. Briana Sally Ajow 3. Ian Robert Ajow 4. Peris Anyango Ajow They are the directors of Maanti Logistics Carrotexx supplies Jupecar garments Pejows Agencies Sallijow enterprises Iantex enterprises Hii pesa kidogo, thought we were talking 10b, yet this doesn't even reach 100m??? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Lets put a face to the thieves 1. Caroline Ajow Atieno Mango (unconfirmed reports she is a senior Police officer based in Gigiri.) 2. Briana Sally Ajow 3. Ian Robert Ajow 4. Peris Anyango Ajow They are the directors of Maanti Logistics Carrotexx supplies Jupecar garments Pejows Agencies Sallijow enterprises Iantex enterprises Hii pesa kidogo, thought we were talking 10b, yet this doesn't even reach 100m??? It now becomes 'kidogo' and doesn't attract drama because a certain people aren't there? Si mwisi ni mwisi?
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Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:aemathenge wrote:2012 wrote:Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.
Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.
Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.
Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.
Get tired Kenyans! I wait with wild anticipation to your rebuttal to the sentiments expressed by an Kenian economist I hold in great respect. Copy and paste extract of the sentiments: Quote:When Kenya was governed under a centralised system, grand corruption was a distant affair that benefited a limited circle of individuals.
A farmer could not conceive how he or she would ever get a kickback in the circle of corruption, until devolution.
When county officials divert public finances to their pockets, much of that money remains within the county economy.
It can be used to finance household expenses, education and health costs, as well as generally improve the quality of life of the corrupt individual and those in their circle.
Diverted public monies also become investment funds, where corrupt individuals suddenly have cash that can be directed to business activity.
I have travelled in counties where I have been openly told that this building or that business belongs to a government official.
This government official did not have these assets before, but suddenly they are serious financiers in the county.
And interestingly, these facts are not shared with a tone of bitterness or annoyance, there almost seems to be an appreciation that even if public monies are being stolen, at least they are benefiting the local economy.
After all, businesses are being financed, people are being employed to run and manage them and suddenly there is a new source of income for many.
This is not a justification of corruption, but rather an exploration of how it is evolving.
We seem to have moved on from the days when loot was sequestered in accounts in distant capitals of Europe and North America.
Now when public money is stolen, much of it sticks around.
How will this inform the fight against corruption?
How do strategies that seek to address corruption need to be updated to become relevant again?
These are questions for us all. Source Link From The Business Daily Many years ago Amerika used to be as corrupt as Kenia, if not more. But, being practical fellows, they realised they couldn't fight it, plus corruption has some benefits (more efficient allocation of resources, for one, like the economist above seems to be saying). So they decided to sanitize corruption and this way make it socially acceptable. You now know it as lobbying, facilitation, commission, finders fee, tip, appreciation etc etc. This created an efficient corruption market that largely forced the unit price down, so much that hardly anyone notices. Is there a lesson for us here? Watching how banks raped US with mortgages, leading to an International market recession... not only getting away with it, but they rewarded themselves; I'm inclined to buy your argument. If we can't beat them ... Kumbe tip is bribing the waiter to serve you better than others... If it is acceptable to tip the waiter, then it should be ok to tip the guy who gave you a multi-million shilling contract. However in our scenario the tip compromises contract delivery. Tips are fine if you deliver In Kenya we are talking about things that don't happen. I give you 1 birrions for doing nothing. That is not tipping, that is theft. You are a thief just like John Gakuo. You mean like the way Banks made Billion's by selling air to Wanjiku of Amerika, in the name of CDFs, CDCs, repackaged sub prime mortgages and other fluff dreamed up by Wall Street Quant's? And then they got the same Wanjiku to bail them out when their scam hit the rocks? That is not theft of course. After all Bazungu can not steal can they? Seemingly, they cannot. A thief has to be dark skinned. Unless the narrative is, the auditors by failing to highlight graft, are the new thieves
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2012 wrote:Until Kenyans get angry & tired, nothing will happen.
Until we call it theft and not corruption, nothing will happen.
Until we name and shame the thieves, nothing will happen.
Until we discipline these thieves on the streets the same way we discipline phone thieves on this streets nothing will happen. Forget the courts, they are incapable, unwilling or deeply compromised. They are part of the problem.
Get tired Kenyans! Unfortunately we live in a world where, if you are truly tired of your country, the best option is to move out. Revolt nowadays is very irrational when a plan ticket anywhere is less than $1,000
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hardwood wrote:Also it is interesting how corruption is reported. Initially the PS in charge of NYS was reported as being Ms Lilian Omollo or Ms Omollo. Her name later evolved to Lilian Mbogo Omollo and now she is being referred to as Lilian Mbogo or simply Ms Mbogo. Is the evolution of the name engineered to pass a certain narrative?
Reminds me of the time wetangula was beaten by his wife. The wife's name as reported in the media evolved from Mrs Ann Wetangula, then to Ann Waceke Ngugi Wetangula and finally to Ann Waceke, Ms Waceke and Ms Ngugi. So, is it false reporting? Is she an Omollo or a Mbogo? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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KulaRaha wrote:hardwood wrote:Also it is interesting how corruption is reported. Initially the PS in charge of NYS was reported as being Ms Lilian Omollo or Ms Omollo. Her name later evolved to Lilian Mbogo Omollo and now she is being referred to as Lilian Mbogo or simply Ms Mbogo. Is the evolution of the name engineered to pass a certain narrative?
Reminds me of the time wetangula was beaten by his wife. The wife's name as reported in the media evolved from Mrs Ann Wetangula, then to Ann Waceke Ngugi Wetangula and finally to Ann Waceke, Ms Waceke and Ms Ngugi. So, is it false reporting? Is she an Omollo or a Mbogo? Relax Mbogo is also a Luo name  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:KulaRaha wrote:hardwood wrote:Also it is interesting how corruption is reported. Initially the PS in charge of NYS was reported as being Ms Lilian Omollo or Ms Omollo. Her name later evolved to Lilian Mbogo Omollo and now she is being referred to as Lilian Mbogo or simply Ms Mbogo. Is the evolution of the name engineered to pass a certain narrative?
Reminds me of the time wetangula was beaten by his wife. The wife's name as reported in the media evolved from Mrs Ann Wetangula, then to Ann Waceke Ngugi Wetangula and finally to Ann Waceke, Ms Waceke and Ms Ngugi. So, is it false reporting? Is she an Omollo or a Mbogo? Relax Mbogo is also a Luo name Ann.... Portfolio: Sold
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