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maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!!
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... True. How many glasses of whiskey can one even down on the 1.5HRS to Buja? Watu wawekwe pamoja, wajuane! 
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... True. How many glasses of whiskey can one even down on the 1.5HRS to Buja? Watu wawekwe pamoja, wajuane! Mimi sitaki si you know am entitled to an upgrade till perpetuity....  But makes sense...plus cause of the reduced capacity they will be full all the time... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... True. How many glasses of whiskey can one even down on the 1.5HRS to Buja? Watu wawekwe pamoja, wajuane! Mimi sitaki si you know am entitled to an upgrade till perpetuity.... But makes sense...plus cause of the reduced capacity they will be full all the time... I understand you @maka. Meanwhile KQ full year revenue remains second top in East Africa, next to only Safaricom whose revenue is double that of KQ! Bringing in USA takes KQ back to its rightful place as a respected profit making entity, I will never forgive Naikuni for what he did to KQ
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... we are just 5 months into the financial year, by December especially with Mauritious and NYC then things will change. All Economy for regional routes on a Q400 is good and KQ will reap big.Even Ethiopian uses Q400 in domestic and even regional e.g. to KRT. @maka, where is B737-300 ( 5Y-KQA), the all economy phased out by Jambo jet. Is it now painted in KQ colours?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... True. How many glasses of whiskey can one even down on the 1.5HRS to Buja? Watu wawekwe pamoja, wajuane! Mimi sitaki si you know am entitled to an upgrade till perpetuity.... But makes sense...plus cause of the reduced capacity they will be full all the time... Only a slight reduction. More frequencies can offset the reduction in capacity. Q400 turnaround is pretty quick too, it is not like a jet. E190s can now be used to run the other longer routes into Africa or I suspect the E190s on lease are due to be returned soon - this is another theory - no ones knows. No more pushback charges for the B737 also once the technology that KQ signed up for is fully installed - A reduction in the direct operating costs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:guka wrote:The more I hear about the possibility of these acquisitions the more I am like a deeper loss is in the horizon. They are not buying any new planes... @AD and Obiero are dreaming... la la land. Soon or later they have to order new planes. The loss position will narrow with time. It is not easy to resuscitate an Airline especially when there is a huge debt outstanding. Mikosz has what it takes to pull it out of the mess. Haya kuweni wapole its Friday....😁😁 They have ordered 2 Q400s... 1st one lands on Tuesday its already in Amsterdam as we speak... @arrested_dev has the right pulse, loss position must be narrowed and if it takes leasing or even buying of new planes to cater for increased traffic, then so be it!! What is happening is pretty simple for most if not qll of this regional routes they are reverting to a 1 class sitting arrangement... Jambojet style...No need for having J class for such routes... True. How many glasses of whiskey can one even down on the 1.5HRS to Buja? Watu wawekwe pamoja, wajuane! Mimi sitaki si you know am entitled to an upgrade till perpetuity.... But makes sense...plus cause of the reduced capacity they will be full all the time... Only a slight reduction. More frequencies can offset the reduction in capacity. Q400 turnaround is pretty quick too, it is not like a jet. E190s can now be used to run the other longer routes into Africa or I suspect the E190s on lease are due to be returned soon - this is another theory - no ones knows. No more pushback charges for the B737 also once the technology that KQ signed up for is fully installed - A reduction in the direct operating costs. My brother from another mother! Your writing lights up my eyes. Money is on the way!!! The Open Offer will catch many investors flat footed, but not I
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,084 Location: Nairobi
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@AD - What’s a pushback charge? Check out Emirates Ad “Don’t upgrade your seat, upgrade your airline” Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@AD - What’s a pushback charge?
Check out Emirates Ad “Don’t upgrade your seat, upgrade your airline” Have you seen the tractor pushing the aircraft from the gate to taxi towards the runway? That is what they call pushback - there is a cost associated with it billed by the ground handling agent e.g. Swissport. KQ is installing a system in the wheels of nearly all B737 and will not require the tractor anymore. After the damage last year of the B737-800 they opted for the technology.
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I still do not believe these stories of KQ buying Q400's. Unless the one in Amsterdam being referred to by @maka is JamboJet's plane which was leased from Nordic Aviation Capital. And its only one order remaining. Last time i checked in March any new acquisitions KQ were to make were the 737-Max. Though as I said, they are still waiting for two of their dreamliners to come back this year and some of the 777-300ER in 2019. By the time they actually get their first plane once they place an order will be in more than 5 years. So 2022 kama vile uliam anaongojea..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:@AD - What’s a pushback charge?
Check out Emirates Ad “Don’t upgrade your seat, upgrade your airline” Have you seen the tractor pushing the aircraft from the gate to taxi towards the runway? That is what they call pushback - there is a cost associated with it billed by the ground handling agent e.g. Swissport. KQ is installing a system in the wheels of nearly all B737 and will not require the tractor anymore. After the damage last year of the B737-800 they opted for the technology. That damage was heartbreaking
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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guka wrote:I still do not believe these stories of KQ buying Q400's. Unless the one in Amsterdam being referred to by @maka is JamboJet's plane which was leased from Nordic Aviation Capital. And its only one order remaining. Last time i checked in March any new acquisitions KQ were to make were the 737-Max. Though as I said, they are still waiting for two of their dreamliners to come back this year and some of the 777-300ER in 2019. By the time they actually get their first plane once they place an order will be in more than 5 years. So 2022 kama vile uliam anaongojea.. @maka must be writing from a point of information ( A KQ insider). Tuesday is not far way, we will know if the aircraft is in KQ or Jambojet livery. Only one B787 will be returned this year before NYC maiden flight takes off and the other early next year for a new route to be announced in due course.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:guka wrote:I still do not believe these stories of KQ buying Q400's. Unless the one in Amsterdam being referred to by @maka is JamboJet's plane which was leased from Nordic Aviation Capital. And its only one order remaining. Last time i checked in March any new acquisitions KQ were to make were the 737-Max. Though as I said, they are still waiting for two of their dreamliners to come back this year and some of the 777-300ER in 2019. By the time they actually get their first plane once they place an order will be in more than 5 years. So 2022 kama vile uliam anaongojea.. @maka must be writing from a point of information ( A KQ insider). Tuesday is not far way, we will know if the aircraft is in KQ or Jambojet livery. Only one B787 will be returned this year before NYC maiden flight takes off and the other early next year for a new route to be announced in due course. @maka needs to inform the wazua community when the Open Offer will arrive..
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:guka wrote:I still do not believe these stories of KQ buying Q400's. Unless the one in Amsterdam being referred to by @maka is JamboJet's plane which was leased from Nordic Aviation Capital. And its only one order remaining. Last time i checked in March any new acquisitions KQ were to make were the 737-Max. Though as I said, they are still waiting for two of their dreamliners to come back this year and some of the 777-300ER in 2019. By the time they actually get their first plane once they place an order will be in more than 5 years. So 2022 kama vile uliam anaongojea.. @maka must be writing from a point of information ( A KQ insider). Tuesday is not far way, we will know if the aircraft is in KQ or Jambojet livery. Only one B787 will be returned this year before NYC maiden flight takes off and the other early next year for a new route to be announced in due course. @maka needs to inform the wazua community when the Open Offer will arrive.. It looks like KQ will cede/hand over the regional routes to Jambojet as opposed to KQ itself operating them. See the below article where Mikosz stated clearly that he wants the E190s to fly the longer routes. http://m.atwonline.com/a...-q400-fleet-10-aircraft
Kenya’s Jambojet to double Dash 8 Q400 fleet to 10 aircraft ATW Plus Kenya Airways LCC subsidiary Jambojet plans to add a sixth Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 to its fleet, which should quickly rise to 10 of the type as it takes over more regional routes from the mainline carrier. “This move will enable us to operate much more of our Embraer regional jet fleet on longer routes,” Kenya Airways CEO Sebastian Mikosz told ATW recently. “The purpose is to be able to grow our network from the bottom [meaning operating Q400s instead Embraer aircraft on ...
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/26/2018 Posts: 17
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Yep that was also my analysis based on my Mikosz tracker. Over time some of the local routes will be done by JamboJet and perhaps only a few Embreaers by KQ for business folks. i.e Twice daily to say Kampala/Rwanda. Morning and eve
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,488 Location: nairobi
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Screw Ebola
HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:guka wrote:I still do not believe these stories of KQ buying Q400's. Unless the one in Amsterdam being referred to by @maka is JamboJet's plane which was leased from Nordic Aviation Capital. And its only one order remaining. Last time i checked in March any new acquisitions KQ were to make were the 737-Max. Though as I said, they are still waiting for two of their dreamliners to come back this year and some of the 777-300ER in 2019. By the time they actually get their first plane once they place an order will be in more than 5 years. So 2022 kama vile uliam anaongojea.. @maka must be writing from a point of information ( A KQ insider). Tuesday is not far way, we will know if the aircraft is in KQ or Jambojet livery. Only one B787 will be returned this year before NYC maiden flight takes off and the other early next year for a new route to be announced in due course. @maka needs to inform the wazua community when the Open Offer will arrive.. It looks like KQ will cede/hand over the regional routes to Jambojet as opposed to KQ itself operating them. See the below article where Mikosz stated clearly that he wants the E190s to fly the longer routes. http://m.atwonline.com/a...-q400-fleet-10-aircraft
Kenya’s Jambojet to double Dash 8 Q400 fleet to 10 aircraft ATW Plus Kenya Airways LCC subsidiary Jambojet plans to add a sixth Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 to its fleet, which should quickly rise to 10 of the type as it takes over more regional routes from the mainline carrier. “This move will enable us to operate much more of our Embraer regional jet fleet on longer routes,” Kenya Airways CEO Sebastian Mikosz told ATW recently. “The purpose is to be able to grow our network from the bottom [meaning operating Q400s instead Embraer aircraft on ... Spot on... But the end of the day whats the diff between Jambo jet and KQ? Same compan... right? possunt quia posse videntur
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