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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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I have been away reading this 600+ page book. Truth or sensationalism? https://kenyatalk.s3.ama...b3c8c21b970f23aaee4.pdf
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Sensationalism tupu "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. When you see someone who has been hiding in the US writing about SGR, you just doubt everything about the writing. I will go through it but signs of sensationalism are quite evident. Ati Koitalel "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. When you see someone who has been hiding in the US writing about SGR, you just doubt everything about the writing. I will go through it but signs of sensationalism are quite evident. Ati Koitalel I don't get the gist of your argument. Do you mean to say that this guy is just like Miguna Miguna. He is not a Kenyan and should be deported at night by cops who don't even have bus fare? What he has written is fake because he is not a Kenyan citizen? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. When you see someone who has been hiding in the US writing about SGR, you just doubt everything about the writing. I will go through it but signs of sensationalism are quite evident. Ati Koitalel I don't get the gist of your argument. Do you mean to say that this guy is just like Miguna Miguna. He is not a Kenyan and should be deported at night by cops who don't even have bus fare? What he has written is fake because he is not a Kenyan citizen? Stop twisting. Am just saying this guy is no point of authority, his writing is based on hearsay and political propaganda. We need to move away from having politicians manipulating our thinking. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. When you see someone who has been hiding in the US writing about SGR, you just doubt everything about the writing. I will go through it but signs of sensationalism are quite evident. Ati Koitalel I don't get the gist of your argument. Do you mean to say that this guy is just like Miguna Miguna. He is not a Kenyan and should be deported at night by cops who don't even have bus fare? What he has written is fake because he is not a Kenyan citizen? Stop twisting. Am just saying this guy is no point of authority, his writing is based on hearsay and political propaganda. We need to move away from having politicians manipulating our thinking. Me, twisting? I'm not Itumbi. I hear that now he's camping at DP's office for the future. I just ask questions that you never seem to answer. What is point of authority? By which standards do we gauge the authority? Murchrs? You have suggested that the guy is from the US. Taking the Sonko route of "cartels". It means nothing other than stoking emotions. Question you should be answering is. Which part of his book do you disagree with? Give evidence to the contrary. Thus far, this US meddling non Kenyan seems to be the only one with facts on the table. You, as Murchr, want us to see the dancing on the floor, not the background music. Apana boss. Which part of his book do you disagree with? Otherwise, that book, as it is written. Is the AUTHORITY. Kapish? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. When you see someone who has been hiding in the US writing about SGR, you just doubt everything about the writing. I will go through it but signs of sensationalism are quite evident. Ati Koitalel I don't get the gist of your argument. Do you mean to say that this guy is just like Miguna Miguna. He is not a Kenyan and should be deported at night by cops who don't even have bus fare? What he has written is fake because he is not a Kenyan citizen? Stop twisting. Am just saying this guy is no point of authority, his writing is based on hearsay and political propaganda. We need to move away from having politicians manipulating our thinking. Me, twisting? I'm not Itumbi. I hear that now he's camping at DP's office for the future. I just ask questions that you never seem to answer. What is point of authority? By which standards do we gauge the authority? Murchrs? You have suggested that the guy is from the US. Taking the Sonko route of "cartels". It means nothing other than stoking emotions. Question you should be answering is. Which part of his book do you disagree with? Give evidence to the contrary. Thus far, this US meddling non Kenyan seems to be the only one with facts on the table. You, as Murchr, want us to see the dancing on the floor, not the background music. Apana boss. Which part of his book do you disagree with? Otherwise, that book, as it is written. Is the AUTHORITY. Kapish? Sasa angalia umeanza compositions and bringing up people who are not involved. Point of authority is someone like James Comey. Someone in the mix. Hearsay ni porojo tu "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Lolest! wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu Umesoma? Seen some historical errors (like reference to Waiyaki wa Hinga and Koitalel arap Samoei as mzungu appointed paramount chiefs) but overall it's an okay easy read.(so far) Don't worry about Murchr. After Hardwood was not paid, Murchr has become the resident mouthpiece for all things corruption. In fact if he supports you in a topic, jiulize maswali. The Bible according to Murchr Chapter 1 No one in the current gov't is corrupt. It's rarry mandowos fault. When you see someone who has been hiding in the US writing about SGR, you just doubt everything about the writing. I will go through it but signs of sensationalism are quite evident. Ati Koitalel I don't get the gist of your argument. Do you mean to say that this guy is just like Miguna Miguna. He is not a Kenyan and should be deported at night by cops who don't even have bus fare? What he has written is fake because he is not a Kenyan citizen? Stop twisting. Am just saying this guy is no point of authority, his writing is based on hearsay and political propaganda. We need to move away from having politicians manipulating our thinking. Me, twisting? I'm not Itumbi. I hear that now he's camping at DP's office for the future. I just ask questions that you never seem to answer. What is point of authority? By which standards do we gauge the authority? Murchrs? You have suggested that the guy is from the US. Taking the Sonko route of "cartels". It means nothing other than stoking emotions. Question you should be answering is. Which part of his book do you disagree with? Give evidence to the contrary. Thus far, this US meddling non Kenyan seems to be the only one with facts on the table. You, as Murchr, want us to see the dancing on the floor, not the background music. Apana boss. Which part of his book do you disagree with? Otherwise, that book, as it is written. Is the AUTHORITY. Kapish? Sasa angalia umeanza compositions and bringing up people who are not involved. Point of authority is someone like James Comey. Someone in the mix. Hearsay ni porojo tu Wewe andika yako tusome. In the meantime, we shall read this one. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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Nimeona Quote:Each one of the Kenyan presidents – together with their families and cronies – amassed enormous personal wealth through means which were not entirely lucid or honest. They used their positions to snatch large pieces of prime public land, raided public coffers, built luxury mansions, bought expensive personal items, and banked their loot overseas away from prying eyes and smiled... are people going to get deemed as having being "dishonest" and at the same time working "within the law"? This is what tires me about Kenyans - we prefer to use subjective things such as "honesty" e.t.c. instead of THE LAW, REGULATIONS, PROCEDURES. We will never fix this thing until we change that. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu I agree. Sad that he puts all the blame for Kenya's problems on the okuyo. Even the mess in the nyayo error is placed on the okuyo. By the way who is the Kamisi (petticoat) guy who wrote the book coz he is very petty? He surely lives up to his name.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:Nimeona Quote:Each one of the Kenyan presidents – together with their families and cronies – amassed enormous personal wealth through means which were not entirely lucid or honest. They used their positions to snatch large pieces of prime public land, raided public coffers, built luxury mansions, bought expensive personal items, and banked their loot overseas away from prying eyes and smiled... are people going to get deemed as having being "dishonest" and at the same time working "within the law"? This is what tires me about Kenyans - we prefer to use subjective things such as "honesty" e.t.c. instead of THE LAW, REGULATIONS, PROCEDURES. We will never fix this thing until we change that. @hardwood, have you paid the author for the book?
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Sensationalism tupu I agree. Sad that he puts all the blame for Kenya's problems on the okuyo. Even the mess in the nyayo error is placed on the okuyo. By the way who is the Kamisi (petticoat) guy who wrote the book coz he is very petty? He surely lives up to his name. young man when were you born . Hon Joe Khamisi was a long time member of Parliament and previously worked in civil service KBC /VoK or something "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:masukuma wrote:Nimeona Quote:Each one of the Kenyan presidents – together with their families and cronies – amassed enormous personal wealth through means which were not entirely lucid or honest. They used their positions to snatch large pieces of prime public land, raided public coffers, built luxury mansions, bought expensive personal items, and banked their loot overseas away from prying eyes and smiled... are people going to get deemed as having being "dishonest" and at the same time working "within the law"? This is what tires me about Kenyans - we prefer to use subjective things such as "honesty" e.t.c. instead of THE LAW, REGULATIONS, PROCEDURES. We will never fix this thing until we change that. @hardwood, have you paid the author for the book? these are the types of things I am talking about unatoa pdf and you complain that people are dishonest about it - the same people applied a different set of goggles on the peeling back the mask book All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Hehe.....the way the book describes Moi. Pg 129, 133 Quote: For most of his third 5-year term, Kenyatta’s health was failing and the inevitable was expected at any given moment. As he weakened, the Kikuyu political barons and captains of industry became increasingly alarmed after sensing that Moi, “a man one of them described as ‘having posho (corn meal) for brains,’ might become president.
The man who was ignored and often humiliated by a section of high-ranking Kikuyu elites and dismissed by the British government as “shallow and rather unreliable,” was sworn in as the acting President by Chief Justice Sir James Wicks.
The British who had been watching Moi all along did not have much respect for him partly because of his “precarious hold on the loyalties of his own people (the Kalenjin), his incompetence as an administrator, and his intellectual shortcomings…... "he is very unsophisticated by world standards. In some ways, he remains a primitive from the outback.”
While Kenyatta left professionals relatively free to handle issues of national governance so long as they did not challenge his overwhelming powers…Moi was intrusive in the running of government affairs. He insisted on knowing everything taking place in government ministries. He was farmer number one; and teacher number one. While Kenyatta ‘killed’ KANU because he saw no need for it, Moi built it into a strong machine of intimidation and manipulation.
"I call on all Ministers and Assistant Ministers and every other person to sing like parrots,” he remarked sternly. “During Mzee Kenyatta’s period, I persistently sang the Kenyatta tune until some people said: ‘This fellow has nothing to say except to sing for Kenyatta.’ “Therefore, you ought to sing the song I sing, If I put a full stop you should put a full stop,” he said in 1984.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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On ohuru....the book says: Quote:In a 2009 diplomatic cable, the American Ambassador Ranneberger informed Washington that Uhuru “appeared to be working towards a presidential run in 2012.”
Ranneberger noted “several major strengths” in Uhuru. "Uhuru is bright and charming, even charismatic,” the envoy told his seniors in Washington. “He is enormously wealthy, and therefore has not had to engage in corruption".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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On Jomo the books says.... Quote:In England, Kenyatta was identified with great Pan-Africanists of the time like W. E. B. Du Bois, George Padmore, among others, and had the charisma, force of personality and dedication to push the cause of equality and justice for all. His association with Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana and Kamuzu Banda of Malawi, helped reshape – at least to a certain degree – his political thinking.
He engaged in street protests and attended almost every political rally that took place in London to agitate for Africa’s emancipation. Kenyatta was among those who prepared the landmark Fifth Pan- African Congress in Manchester in 1945 which demanded an end to colonial rule and abolition of racial discrimination.
He made one trip home in 1930 but returned to England in 1931 where he stayed until 1946. By the time of his final return to Kenya, Kenyatta’s popularity had soared. He joined the Kenya African Union (KAU) and toured areas beyond the Kikuyu enclave, addressing public meetings in Mombasa, Nyanza, and the Rift Valley until his arrest on 21 October 1952 on charges of managing Mau.
Jomo Kenyatta was stern but jolly, the kind of person any man would want to have as a father-in-law. He was dignified, smartly-dressed and had the demeanor of a ‘king.’ After becoming President, his trademark was a fresh red rose and a badge of a cockerel, the symbol of the ruling party KANU, neatly pinned on the lapel of his designer suit jacket. He laughed loud and heavy and when seated leaned on his cane, his big ring glittering in the sunshine. Quote:In Africa and the world, the first Kenyan President was viewed as a Pan- Africanist rubble-rouser and freedom fighter. At home Kenyans called him “Mzee” (Wise Old Man), a title of reverence reserved only for respected old men. He had a commanding presence and poise, and a charisma that was enormous and adorable. Kenyatta had an extraordinary personality. His character was complex and enigmatic as a national leader. One was struck by the force of his personality that he could project especially through his eyes while addressing a gathering. He was a spectacular public speaker who employed powerful imagery and proverbs. With his elephant-skin headed stick and his gold ring, with his fly-whisk that he occasionally flipped through the air to acknowledge greets and cheers, Kenyatta curved for himself an image far beyond that of ordinary human beings. He was a leader with interesting patterns of social discourse and configuration of character.”
Glenn W. Ferguson who served as the American Ambassador to Kenya between 1966 and 1969 said Kenyatta had a presence that was magnetic and an appearance that was electrifying, and mannerisms that were unique in enhancing his charisma, even though during the first four years of his rule he eroded the power of Parliament to check the presidency, transforming the former into “a puppet of the executive.” He was like a presidential “monarch…” but he was not an autocrat, much less a tyrant.”
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