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My question is do MANY FACTS "carry" questionable stories? are FACTS democratic? When you have 99% FACTS do they mean that the 1% questionable occurrences get validated by the 99% FACTS? And that is why I asked what your take on this little tale is Quote:Yesterday, I was watching the Matiba Funeral Service on TV and when I was glued on it - I saw my child jump on top of the sofa and fly around the room All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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AlphDoti wrote: Question 3: <harrydre> Do they connect with those who left before them?
Yes, the souls of the believers meet and visit one another. Look at this hadith narrated from Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari and Abu Haatim in al-Saheeh, they reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”
Therefore, the dead visit one another. But there are two types: those that are punished and those that are blessed. Those that are punished are too preoccupied with the torment that they are facing to visit and meet one another, but the souls that are blessed are free and are not detained, so they meet one another, visit one another and talk about what they used to do in this world and what happened to the people of this world.
Question 4: <harrydre> Are they 'watching over' those they left behind?
The answer is no! Remember I stated that there is something, a barrier called BARZAQ/BARZAK. When a person dies, there's no turning back to this world (this life) again. There's another stage in between live and judgement day called "barzaq". The dead cannot make contact with the dead. Neither do the alive make contact with the dead. There is a barrier between them called barzaq
So in your view judgement day is already happening to some of those who died a long time ago going by your 1st & 2nd paragraph? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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harrydre wrote:AlphDoti wrote: Question 3: <harrydre> Do they connect with those who left before them?
Yes, the souls of the believers meet and visit one another. Look at this hadith narrated from Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari and Abu Haatim in al-Saheeh, they reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”
Therefore, the dead visit one another. But there are two types: those that are punished and those that are blessed. Those that are punished are too preoccupied with the torment that they are facing to visit and meet one another, but the souls that are blessed are free and are not detained, so they meet one another, visit one another and talk about what they used to do in this world and what happened to the people of this world.
Question 4: <harrydre> Are they 'watching over' those they left behind?
The answer is no! Remember I stated that there is something, a barrier called BARZAQ/BARZAK. When a person dies, there's no turning back to this world (this life) again. There's another stage in between live and judgement day called "barzaq". The dead cannot make contact with the dead. Neither do the alive make contact with the dead. There is a barrier between them called barzaq
So in your view judgement day is already happening to some of those who died a long time ago going by your 1st & 2nd paragraph? First, is clarification. Judgement Day will happen after the Resurrection. Everybody is waiting for it. That Day is called the Day of Reckoning. Secondly, if judgement you mean reckoning, then yes reckoning starts immediately after death. And that reward and punishment will come after the reckoning. Allah says: “So, by your Lord, (O Muhammad pbuh), We shall certainly call all of them to account. For all that they used to do” [Quran al-Hijr 15:92-93]. “Then surely, We shall question those (people) to whom it (the Book) was sent and verily, We shall question the Messengers” [Quran al-A’raaf 7:6] Thirdly, this reckoning will be in two stages: (1). The first stage is in the grave, after death. (2). The second stage of the reckoning will be after the Resurrection. I hope i answered your question
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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AlphDoti wrote:harrydre wrote:AlphDoti wrote: Question 3: <harrydre> Do they connect with those who left before them?
Yes, the souls of the believers meet and visit one another. Look at this hadith narrated from Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari and Abu Haatim in al-Saheeh, they reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”
Therefore, the dead visit one another. But there are two types: those that are punished and those that are blessed. Those that are punished are too preoccupied with the torment that they are facing to visit and meet one another, but the souls that are blessed are free and are not detained, so they meet one another, visit one another and talk about what they used to do in this world and what happened to the people of this world.
Question 4: <harrydre> Are they 'watching over' those they left behind?
The answer is no! Remember I stated that there is something, a barrier called BARZAQ/BARZAK. When a person dies, there's no turning back to this world (this life) again. There's another stage in between live and judgement day called "barzaq". The dead cannot make contact with the dead. Neither do the alive make contact with the dead. There is a barrier between them called barzaq
So in your view judgement day is already happening to some of those who died a long time ago going by your 1st & 2nd paragraph? First, is clarification. Judgement Day will happen after the Resurrection. Everybody is waiting for it. That Day is called the Day of Reckoning. Secondly, if judgement you mean reckoning, then yes reckoning starts immediately after death. And that reward and punishment will come after the reckoning. Allah says: “So, by your Lord, (O Muhammad pbuh), We shall certainly call all of them to account. For all that they used to do” [Quran al-Hijr 15:92-93]. “Then surely, We shall question those (people) to whom it (the Book) was sent and verily, We shall question the Messengers” [Quran al-A’raaf 7:6] Thirdly, this reckoning will be in two stages: (1). The first stage is in the grave, after death. (2). The second stage of the reckoning will be after the Resurrection. I hope i answered your question That in red looks like judgement i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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harrydre wrote:AlphDoti wrote:harrydre wrote:AlphDoti wrote: Question 3: <harrydre> Do they connect with those who left before them?
Yes, the souls of the believers meet and visit one another. Look at this hadith narrated from Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari and Abu Haatim in al-Saheeh, they reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”
Therefore, the dead visit one another. But there are two types: those that are punished and those that are blessed. Those that are punished are too preoccupied with the torment that they are facing to visit and meet one another, but the souls that are blessed are free and are not detained, so they meet one another, visit one another and talk about what they used to do in this world and what happened to the people of this world.
Question 4: <harrydre> Are they 'watching over' those they left behind?
The answer is no! Remember I stated that there is something, a barrier called BARZAQ/BARZAK. When a person dies, there's no turning back to this world (this life) again. There's another stage in between live and judgement day called "barzaq". The dead cannot make contact with the dead. Neither do the alive make contact with the dead. There is a barrier between them called barzaq
So in your view judgement day is already happening to some of those who died a long time ago going by your 1st & 2nd paragraph? First, is clarification. Judgement Day will happen after the Resurrection. Everybody is waiting for it. That Day is called the Day of Reckoning. Secondly, if judgement you mean reckoning, then yes reckoning starts immediately after death. And that reward and punishment will come after the reckoning. Allah says: “So, by your Lord, (O Muhammad pbuh), We shall certainly call all of them to account. For all that they used to do” [Quran al-Hijr 15:92-93]. “Then surely, We shall question those (people) to whom it (the Book) was sent and verily, We shall question the Messengers” [Quran al-A’raaf 7:6] Thirdly, this reckoning will be in two stages: (1). The first stage is in the grave, after death. (2). The second stage of the reckoning will be after the Resurrection. I hope i answered your question That in red looks like judgement From that hadith, it is understood that death is the minor judgement for the dead... and the resurrection is major judgement. It was narrated from Aisha (r.a) that the Prophet (pbuh) said: “It has been revealed to me that you will be put to trial in the grave.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (1049) and Muslim (584). Quote:Two things after this reckoning: be reward or punishment. So the one who has succeeded will have blessing and happiness in his grave and the one who has lost will have torment and misery.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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What makes you to think that death and aging are bad things? Everyday I realize that we subscribe to a decadent anthropology courtesy of wazungus.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:What makes you to think that death and aging are bad things? Everyday I realize that we subscribe to a decadent anthropology courtesy of wazungus. Tycho: Aging is bad chiefly because of the pain and degradation to the body that comes with it. If technology can eliminate this, then it would be a rather enjoyable process, I think. Then I would even look forward to planning my own death. Perhaps even holding some 'going home' parties for friends and family before checking into a high cost dying home for some final pampering. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:What makes you to think that death and aging are bad things? Everyday I realize that we subscribe to a decadent anthropology courtesy of wazungus. Tycho: Aging is bad chiefly because of the pain and degradation to the body that comes with it. If technology can eliminate this, then it would be a rather enjoyable process, I think. Then I would even look forward to planning my own death. Perhaps even holding some 'going home' parties for friends and family before checking into a high cost dying home for some final pampering. And aging is good because of the birth and pleasures of life it facilitates. If it's just a matter of pain, then much of human life at whatever stage has some pain. The other day I learnt that I can die with every breath. That is, to live well is to die well. So I hope my practice of death will become an everyday joy. The body is the flower. Flowers are meant to wither. Yet before they wither, their sight and scent confounds.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:What makes you to think that death and aging are bad things? Everyday I realize that we subscribe to a decadent anthropology courtesy of wazungus. Tycho: Aging is bad chiefly because of the pain and degradation to the body that comes with it. If technology can eliminate this, then it would be a rather enjoyable process, I think. Then I would even look forward to planning my own death. Perhaps even holding some 'going home' parties for friends and family before checking into a high cost dying home for some final pampering. And aging is good because of the birth and pleasures of life it facilitates. If it's just a matter of pain, then much of human life at whatever stage has some pain. The other day I learnt that I can die with every breath. That is, to live well is to die well. So I hope my practice of death will become an everyday joy. The body is the flower. Flowers are meant to wither. Yet before they wither, their sight and scent confounds. Suppose death is an error that could be rectified and eternal life is feasible. When would u transit to the next world to get a share of ur caning. Suppose u can Teleport your spirit into a quark particle, and live into infinity without biological form, would u still expect to die and get caned? Suppose, I as a spirit need nothing and can jetson my biological suit, since I support the thought of living infinitely whether in hell or heaven, why can't I live free without both and forever kwa raha zangu. The thought of heaven hell are all as cumbersome as evi-l-ive. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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