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Wororo
#9861 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 7:58:03 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Can JKIA handle A380s?

JNIA (Dar) had an unscheduled A380 land. https://www.exchange.co....orlds-largest-aircraft/


The challenge with the A380 is that airports have to be have the gear for passengers to disembark efficiently. I do not see any thing else that is special

Nothing special at all..
Can JKIA handle A380s?


I think Emirates flys A380s to JKIA. but they are planning to stop production of the jumbo.


I think some parties might see A380 as preferred air cargo freighter or even in moving heavy/bulky military artillery from one point to another...

Just my two cents though...
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VituVingiSana
#9862 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 10:48:05 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Can JKIA handle A380s?

JNIA (Dar) had an unscheduled A380 land. https://www.exchange.co....orlds-largest-aircraft/


The challenge with the A380 is that airports have to be have the gear for passengers to disembark efficiently. I do not see any thing else that is special

Nothing special at all..
Can JKIA handle A380s?


I think Emirates flys A380s to JKIA. but they are planning to stop production of the jumbo.
I doubt.
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VituVingiSana
#9863 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 10:50:00 AM
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Horton wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Can JKIA handle A380s?

JNIA (Dar) had an unscheduled A380 land. https://www.exchange.co....orlds-largest-aircraft/


The challenge with the A380 is that airports have to be have the gear for passengers to disembark efficiently. I do not see any thing else that is special

Nothing special at all..
Can JKIA handle A380s?


I think Emirates flys A380s to JKIA. but they are planning to stop production of the jumbo.


EK flies the 777 & 340 to Jkia.

Handling a diversion can be done in nbo. No dramas.
380 requires a stronger PCN vs ACN —basically pavement strength which we have.

Also requires double jet bridges for the Lower deck and upper deck which we don’t have but can make do with stairs.

I watched a video about the dar airport managers talking about a diversion like its a big thing 🤣🤣 ati it is only capable of landing in Jozi and now in dar 🤣🤣

What's the length of JKIA's runway?
How much runway does a fully loaded A380 need to take off?
KQ has an all-Boeing fleet but wouldn't extra capacity [esp fresh cargo] to Europe be beneficial for Kenya and KQ?
KQ flights, if well-priced, to London/Amsterdam could fly full almost all year round. Or so I think.
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obiero
#9864 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 12:08:18 PM
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JKIA is 4,117 metres in length

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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#9865 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 2:59:08 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Can JKIA handle A380s?

JNIA (Dar) had an unscheduled A380 land. https://www.exchange.co....orlds-largest-aircraft/


The challenge with the A380 is that airports have to be have the gear for passengers to disembark efficiently. I do not see any thing else that is special

Nothing special at all..
Can JKIA handle A380s?


I think Emirates flys A380s to JKIA. but they are planning to stop production of the jumbo.
I doubt.


Only B777. The A380 landing in DA&R is not a big thing as such. A380 is slightly bigger than B747. In fact Airbus developed this plane in response to B747.

B747 lands at JKIA every other day. KLM flies it to JKIA, sometimes the cargo one. Lufthansa used to fly to NBO with a B747 years ago.
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#9866 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 4:49:52 PM
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Wororo wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
FundamentAli wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Can JKIA handle A380s?

JNIA (Dar) had an unscheduled A380 land. https://www.exchange.co....orlds-largest-aircraft/


The challenge with the A380 is that airports have to be have the gear for passengers to disembark efficiently. I do not see any thing else that is special

Nothing special at all..
Can JKIA handle A380s?


I think Emirates flys A380s to JKIA. but they are planning to stop production of the jumbo.


I think some parties might see A380 as preferred air cargo freighter or even in moving heavy/bulky military artillery from one point to another...

Just my two cents though...


We have Beluga and Dreamlifter for that purpose if required....tested and ready.
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#9867 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 4:51:23 PM
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obiero wrote:
JKIA is 4,117 metres in length


More than enough!
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#9868 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 5:59:01 PM
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The A380 landed in Dar due to bad weather in Mauritius, which was the final destination. So it's not an accomplishment for Dar as the article portrays! This plane needs 550 passengers to fill up. I don't think any African city aside from maybe Joburg can offer those numbers on a single route.
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VituVingiSana
#9869 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 7:36:34 PM
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pops wrote:
The A380 landed in Dar due to bad weather in Mauritius, which was the final destination. So it's not an accomplishment for Dar as the article portrays! This plane needs 550 passengers to fill up. I don't think any African city aside from maybe Joburg can offer those numbers on a single route.
London. Cargo + Pax.
There are at least 2 daily flights NBO-LHR using a 747/777 (BA) + 777 (KQ). Many more pax use EK, ET, TK and QR to fly to London. London/LHR also offers decent connections to USA, Paris, Ireland, etc if KQ can codeshare with other airlines like Delta (USA), AF (France), etc.

I have used TK despite the odd hours and longer total flight/travel time coz of a much lower price vs KQ/BA.

Can KQ capture more of the EK, ET, TK and QR traffic to LHR?
Plus more fresh cargo?
Doesn't KQ/BA run extra flights during the busy summer/touristy season?

That said, perhaps the longer/larger 747-8 instead of a A380?

Of course, only if it makes FINANCIAL sense which was tossed out the window during Project Mawingu.
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guka
#9870 Posted : Saturday, May 05, 2018 8:11:09 PM
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The aircraft industry is moving away from the titanic like planes. Production of A380 is closing with only Emirates order book that is keeping them alive. The Boeing 747 is also out of production. The only 747's that are remaining on the order book are for the POTUS presidential fleet. If they were to do this they most likely will have to increase frequency rather than purchase a jumbo or A380.
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#9871 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 2:58:01 AM
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guka wrote:
The aircraft industry is moving away from the titanic like planes. Production of A380 is closing with only Emirates order book that is keeping them alive. The Boeing 747 is also out of production. The only 747's that are remaining on the order book are for the POTUS presidential fleet. If they were to do this they most likely will have to increase frequency rather than purchase a jumbo or A380.


True....The jumbo planes are unsustainable. 777s 787s A340s & A350s are the long range planes in business.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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#9872 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 6:08:53 AM
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Actually if they needed a plane the size of a jumbo they would have to buy a 777x. That is either the 777-8 with a seating configuration of 365 seats or a 777-9 with a seating configuration of 414. Which is averagely what a typical 747 has. Problem is that the 777-9 is yet to go into production and its order book will take years given the first delivery is next year December. That said they could buy an old jumbo but still make losses.
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#9873 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 11:37:27 AM
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murchr wrote:
guka wrote:
The aircraft industry is moving away from the titanic like planes. Production of A380 is closing with only Emirates order book that is keeping them alive. The Boeing 747 is also out of production. The only 747's that are remaining on the order book are for the POTUS presidential fleet. If they were to do this they most likely will have to increase frequency rather than purchase a jumbo or A380.


True....The jumbo planes are unsustainable. 777s 787s A340s & A350s are the long range planes in business.



No A340 anymore - It is dead.
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#9874 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 12:15:30 PM
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FYI EK are parking a bunch of aircrafts due to softer demand from this month. 40 Something 777s and A380s
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#9875 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 3:41:18 PM
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Horton wrote:
FYI EK are parking a bunch of aircrafts due to softer demand from this month. 40 Something 777s and A380s


Wololo
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#9876 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 4:23:01 PM
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Wororo wrote:
Horton wrote:
FYI EK are parking a bunch of aircrafts due to softer demand from this month. 40 Something 777s and A380s


Wololo

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#9877 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 6:06:13 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
murchr wrote:
guka wrote:
The aircraft industry is moving away from the titanic like planes. Production of A380 is closing with only Emirates order book that is keeping them alive. The Boeing 747 is also out of production. The only 747's that are remaining on the order book are for the POTUS presidential fleet. If they were to do this they most likely will have to increase frequency rather than purchase a jumbo or A380.


True....The jumbo planes are unsustainable. 777s 787s A340s & A350s are the long range planes in business.



No A340 anymore - It is dead.


Uuwiii Airbus is finished.
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#9878 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 6:12:03 PM
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murchr wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
murchr wrote:
guka wrote:
The aircraft industry is moving away from the titanic like planes. Production of A380 is closing with only Emirates order book that is keeping them alive. The Boeing 747 is also out of production. The only 747's that are remaining on the order book are for the POTUS presidential fleet. If they were to do this they most likely will have to increase frequency rather than purchase a jumbo or A380.


True....The jumbo planes are unsustainable. 777s 787s A340s & A350s are the long range planes in business.



No A340 anymore - It is dead.


Uuwiii Airbus is finished.



Well not really. They have a great product in the A350

Airbus AKA “scarebus” for some of us Boeing fans
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VituVingiSana
#9879 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2018 11:51:40 PM
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Horton wrote:
FYI EK are parking a bunch of aircrafts due to softer demand from this month. 40 Something 777s and A380s
If demand is truly growing for KQ, it should lease a 777 from EK until the planes leased to Oman/Turkey are returned. [Were they leased to Oman/Turkey or sold outright?]
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Pesa Nane
#9880 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2018 9:20:41 PM
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obiero wrote:

I look at some of the comments on this thread and wonder what people will say when the Open Offer is announced. There was the first chance for all and sundry to make a quick kill during restructure when some folks here swore that KQ will touch KES 2.10 but it did not, rather it went up to KES 18.75 within seven days of relisting!!! Now there will be clueless others waiting for KQ to dip sub Open Offer price projected at KES 5.00 by the exchange bar, but I could bet you my entire earthly belongings that these persons will be shocked to see KES 21 or higher print in the run up to book closure. Thank me later/soon


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