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Hon. Kenneth Stanley Njindo Matiba
Lolest!
#121 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:41:45 PM
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Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.
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hardwood
#122 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:57:03 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.
Swenani
#123 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 1:01:14 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.


3. Matiba is an over glorified hero
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Ngalaka
#124 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 1:29:15 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
hardwood
#125 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 1:35:35 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu.


If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE.
Lolest!
#126 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:38:07 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu.


If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE.

Did Malema name anybody? Not that I liked his overhyped speech
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Lolest!
#127 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:42:28 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

Are we now free?
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gk
#128 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:50:50 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu.

Its just a case soar grapes really.

Again, why Ken when there were many Kenyans before and at the time who made greater sacrifices? Where was he when Jaramogi, his son and Mwakenya fellows were being detained? We read elsewhere in this forum that Ken was pro-establishment in the colonial days; at a time his fellow village mates were losing land and life fighting to regain self rule. And he'd have remained pretty much loyal but for losing favour with his hitherto friend, Moi.
My point is that were it not for the decline in his health and finances -for which he wasn't entirely blameless-Matiba's claim to heroism would have been much less dramatic. Just look at his comrade Charles Rubia.
There's a cabal around him who never forgave MK for registering DP as if repealing of S1(2) was meant to be a personal reward to the former. He too turned down an invitation to join DP terming it "a big joke". It's this sense of self-entitlement and arrogance that broke the initial Ford and almost gifted Kanu a much needed seat in Central during the Kipipiri by-election but MK, who understood Moi better, saw through this and fielded a candidate.
This cabal naively believe Ken would have beaten Moi in that poll and worse, that even in his poor state of health, he would still have made a better president. You may revisit the charade that became City Hall after '92 and Ken's inability to manage the office of LOO if in doubt.
Yes he did his part, but in the struggle against Moism, there are better claimants to that high pedestal.
May he RIP.

hardwood
#129 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 2:51:34 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu.


If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE.

Did Malema name anybody? Not that I liked his overhyped speech


That man must have been very angry after seeing what the hypocrites did to his friend matiba. Reducing his friend from a healthy and successful man to a sickly wheel chair bound bankrupt man and suffering to his death. While his tormentors were enjoying the good life. He had to call out the hypocrites and their crocodile tears.
Ngalaka
#130 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 3:16:09 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Quote:
Methinks it was tasteless to read out names of people who supposedly opposed Matiba during his fight for multipartyism?
If Matiba was a true democrat then he must have appreciated that others were entitled to air contrary opinions too.
To call out names of people on one's funeral (some of whom are dead or were present) merely because they disagreed with the deceased-as if he were an infallible saint- is the height of arrogance.
If Matiba had a grudge against his opposers in life, it was, like for us all, his own to carry or dispose off and anyone else arrogating to themselves that responsibility is a cheap con!
It's fair to record that Mabita only saw the light because he had lost favour with Moi yet there're lots of other people who had been agitating for pluralism much earlier and for longer.

1. Those people did not SUPPOSEDLY oppose Matiba, they actually did. There was an article in Sunday Nation last week on the same.

2. I agree, it is very tasteless, very wrong to do what that friend of Matiba did.



This culture of shying away from naming "names" or refusing to speak the truth is what has made Kenya a shiethole country. For us to move forward, the betrayers, the corrupt, thieves, rapists, Kirinyaga DG etc have to be named and shamed. Only the truth will set us free.

May be then for a balanced reporting, someone should also tell us how Matiba handled the opponents of Kanu and its policies while he was firmly in Kanu.


If you applauded the malema speech during winnie's burial, then you should also be happy with "the naming" at matiba's requiem. You cant support forthrightness when it happens in SA but condemn it if same occurs in KE.

Did Malema name anybody? Not that I liked his overhyped speech

Distraction!
Have I put forth an opinion on Malema ever, leave alone during Winnie's burial!
Back to the issue...
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Kili
#131 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 4:47:29 PM
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Those who remember Matibas homecoming-from Rondon in 1992 will attest that it would have put MKs one in 2002 or even RAOs more recent one to shame.Until that point Genyans did not know the magnitude of his illness as his handlers had marketed him as fit as a fiddle-through Pius Nyamoras'Society' Magazine and Njeru Gatabakis 'Finance'-whose newsrooms the police would raid every other week.Good as Matiba may have been he would not have in opinion made a good President due to incapacitation.Age was taking its toll on Ford Kenya's Jaramogi too.I think MK was still our best bet then
Lolest!
#132 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:45:40 PM
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Kili wrote:
Those who remember Matibas homecoming-from Rondon in 1992 will attest that it would have put MKs one in 2002 or even RAOs more recent one to shame.Until that point Genyans did not know the magnitude of his illness as his handlers had marketed him as fit as a fiddle-through Pius Nyamoras'Society' Magazine and Njeru Gatabakis 'Finance'-whose newsrooms the police would raid every other week.Good as Matiba may have been he would not have in opinion made a good President due to incapacitation.Age was taking its toll on Ford Kenya's Jaramogi too.I think MK was still our best bet then

I was a kid. I just remember my uncle telling someone something like "Kesho mambo ya Moi inaisha, Matiba anarudi"
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alma1
#133 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 5:57:29 PM
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Is it fashionable in Kenya to be hypocritical?

We who were born at that time know exactly how some people who were in that pew treated Matiba. Some of us more than you can imagine.

Now we see the same people waxing lyrical on how Matiba was a great man. These same people were only tooooo willing to sing "fimbo ya nyayo".

Now look at them. With no shame. Then when their names are dropped, some people start talking about "being tasteless".

What is tasteless is being used by a governement to terminate the life of another. What is silly is pretending that people don't know. That they should never know. That they should never say that you were a useless person some years back.

This is just kionjo tu. A lot of people are going to start being named and shamed in public.

Malema just showed Africans how to deal with people who because they have power on Tuesday, expect us to katow to them for their bad behavior.

RIP Matiba and pole to the family.

To the others who are busy trying to change history on wazua, tunangoja yako ili tuwaeleze jamii zako ulivyo kua mtu asiye na adhili njema.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

hardwood
#134 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:05:56 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Kili wrote:
Those who remember Matibas homecoming-from Rondon in 1992 will attest that it would have put MKs one in 2002 or even RAOs more recent one to shame.Until that point Genyans did not know the magnitude of his illness as his handlers had marketed him as fit as a fiddle-through Pius Nyamoras'Society' Magazine and Njeru Gatabakis 'Finance'-whose newsrooms the police would raid every other week.Good as Matiba may have been he would not have in opinion made a good President due to incapacitation.Age was taking its toll on Ford Kenya's Jaramogi too.I think MK was still our best bet then

I was a kid. I just remember my uncle telling someone something like "Kesho mambo ya Moi inaisha, Matiba anarudi"


Matiba was very unwell. This is what his wife said about his health....

https://www.nation.co.ke...html-572h4vz/index.html


C&P

Quote:
ON MATIBA HEALTH.

His condition has taken a lot out of me. When I look at him, and I know what he was — active, kind and generous, honest, a man who did not see anything as a barrier. I have been with him since the time he came back from detention having suffered a stroke. I have seen him through the worst as far as health is concerned because when we got to England, he suffered a second stroke. And because of the bleeding that had occurred, they said they had to operate and remove the blood. They had told me that touching the brain may cause some problem. When he eventually came round, he was a different person. And we stayed in that hospital for three months. He couldn’t even speak. I had to teach him speech, like you teach a child — to do ABCD. A-a. B-b. I made cards, like flashcards, and ask him ‘what’s this? What’s this, you know, that kind of thing.’ And then eventually, a little writing and then I would tell him to write the same way — you know, like you would do with a kindergarten child.

At the end of three months, the doctor said, well, ‘we have done what we can and we think the best thing is for you to go to a rehabilitation centre where Ken can probably have some improvement on his ability to speak and also probably his ability to walk. But as far as we are concerned, Mrs Matiba, we have to tell you, will have to look after your husband all the years ahead of you’. So I asked them, ‘you mean he is going to remain a cabbage?’ It was bitter but he said ‘yes.’ I just felt devastated.

But anyway we went to this rehabilitation centre and we started again from scratch. They were very good because both walking, speech, even showing him how to dress himself, how to tie his shoes and that kind of thing. And he made progress. He could now begin to walk a little, eventually he could walk quite a distance and one day he disappeared from the hospital and we had to look for him in the bushes just gallivanting. We were there for four months. Then we took up a flat close to the rehabilitation centre so that I could take him once a week, then eventually once a month and that went on until we moved back to London. He was supposed to have physiotherapy, but he refused, saying that ‘God is going to heal me.’ But he kept on walking little distances and eventually, Ken was walking five miles, and on to eight miles. So by that time I think we were ready to come back. But politicians had already started coming to him because this whole thing about what had happened to him had made him quite popular back home. You will probably remember his return day how it was. But of all things, I never thought that he would go back into politics. So my heart just sank when he decided that he would go back into politics. He was into politics again in 1997, but he was beginning to get disillusioned. Then after that he stood for elections in 2007. I kept on asking him ‘why? You have not campaigned. You know you have been away.’ He came here (at Ukunda) after 2004. He was staying here. He had no contact with the people back home except with the politicians who would visit him.
masukuma
#135 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:56:26 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Is it fashionable in Kenya to be hypocritical?

We who were born at that time know exactly how some people who were in that pew treated Matiba. Some of us more than you can imagine.

Now we see the same people waxing lyrical on how Matiba was a great man. These same people were only tooooo willing to sing "fimbo ya nyayo".

Now look at them. With no shame. Then when their names are dropped, some people start talking about "being tasteless".

What is tasteless is being used by a governement to terminate the life of another. What is silly is pretending that people don't know. That they should never know. That they should never say that you were a useless person some years back.

This is just kionjo tu. A lot of people are going to start being named and shamed in public.

Malema just showed Africans how to deal with people who because they have power on Tuesday, expect us to katow to them for their bad behavior.

RIP Matiba and pole to the family.

To the others who are busy trying to change history on wazua, tunangoja yako ili tuwaeleze jamii zako ulivyo kua mtu asiye na adhili njema.

hakuna your tatas!!

Let me ask...do you lose your locus standi to talk about the good aspects of a person just because you didn't agree with them politically?
Let's assume that the person in question did something you never agreed with - does that define him?

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
alma1
#136 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:04:26 PM
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masukuma wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Is it fashionable in Kenya to be hypocritical?

We who were born at that time know exactly how some people who were in that pew treated Matiba. Some of us more than you can imagine.

Now we see the same people waxing lyrical on how Matiba was a great man. These same people were only tooooo willing to sing "fimbo ya nyayo".

Now look at them. With no shame. Then when their names are dropped, some people start talking about "being tasteless".

What is tasteless is being used by a governement to terminate the life of another. What is silly is pretending that people don't know. That they should never know. That they should never say that you were a useless person some years back.

This is just kionjo tu. A lot of people are going to start being named and shamed in public.

Malema just showed Africans how to deal with people who because they have power on Tuesday, expect us to katow to them for their bad behavior.

RIP Matiba and pole to the family.

To the others who are busy trying to change history on wazua, tunangoja yako ili tuwaeleze jamii zako ulivyo kua mtu asiye na adhili njema.

hakuna your tatas!!

Let me ask...do you lose your locus standi to talk about the good aspects of a person just because you didn't agree with them politically?
Let's assume that the person in question did something you never agreed with - does that define him?



Pole sana boss. The era of "maombolezi politics" is coming to an end.

You can't crucify me and my family then ati you come there waxing lyrical. Hizo tabia ni mbovu mno.

Watu watajwe na wajulikane.

I don't believe it's right to condemn someone for what they did. However, if that same person has never ever said sorry, alafu ana jitokeza hapo, wacha atajwe.

Na watatajwa tu. Kuna wengine najua wana soma haya wanaanza kujuiliza maswali kadhaa. If you form the habit of pretence, please don't come to my funeral. I have advised those that shall bury me to say exactly what you did.

Ili tuelewane.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

radiomast
#137 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:05:40 PM
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Kili wrote:
Those who remember Matibas homecoming-from Rondon in 1992 will attest that it would have put MKs one in 2002 or even RAOs more recent one to shame.Until that point Genyans did not know the magnitude of his illness as his handlers had marketed him as fit as a fiddle-through Pius Nyamoras'Society' Magazine and Njeru Gatabakis 'Finance'-whose newsrooms the police would raid every other week.Good as Matiba may have been he would not have in opinion made a good President due to incapacitation.Age was taking its toll on Ford Kenya's Jaramogi too.I think MK was still our best bet then


By MK I hope you are not referring to Mwai Kibs. The man who contributed nothing to the fight for multipartism but jumped on the bandwagon when he realized KANU had become unsalable in central.

If Kenyan leaders could put pride aside, they would have selected the best candidate who would have beaten Moi. To me the best candidate at the time was Muliro. Looking back I think Muliro was dispatched because he was the one candidate who could have challenged Moi in the future. His death was very mysterious.

Matiba had become completely incoherent by 1992. Age was not on the side of JOO.

Had one of the heroes of the second liberation taken power in 1992 or even 1997, especially MM, I think Kenya would have already made significant steps towards addressing the issues that are plaguing us today namely corruption, ethnic tension etc.

Unfortunately we are still being ruled by the original KANU. All our presidents thus far have been people who are still entrenched in the old establishment and have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
Lolest!
#138 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:07:42 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
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masukuma wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Is it fashionable in Kenya to be hypocritical?

We who were born at that time know exactly how some people who were in that pew treated Matiba. Some of us more than you can imagine.

Now we see the same people waxing lyrical on how Matiba was a great man. These same people were only tooooo willing to sing "fimbo ya nyayo".

Now look at them. With no shame. Then when their names are dropped, some people start talking about "being tasteless".

What is tasteless is being used by a governement to terminate the life of another. What is silly is pretending that people don't know. That they should never know. That they should never say that you were a useless person some years back.

This is just kionjo tu. A lot of people are going to start being named and shamed in public.

Malema just showed Africans how to deal with people who because they have power on Tuesday, expect us to katow to them for their bad behavior.

RIP Matiba and pole to the family.

To the others who are busy trying to change history on wazua, tunangoja yako ili tuwaeleze jamii zako ulivyo kua mtu asiye na adhili njema.

hakuna your tatas!!

Let me ask...do you lose your locus standi to talk about the good aspects of a person just because you didn't agree with them politically?
Let's assume that the person in question did something you never agreed with - does that define him?


Jus coz I disagree with you today doesn't mean kesho or 20 yrs from now I won't be seeing your point!

Kibaki and Biwott were beneficiaries of Matiba's "madness". They formed parties! At that point they must've seen his point!

We will all be discussed too, kwaneee???
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alma1
#139 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:11:53 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Is it fashionable in Kenya to be hypocritical?

We who were born at that time know exactly how some people who were in that pew treated Matiba. Some of us more than you can imagine.

Now we see the same people waxing lyrical on how Matiba was a great man. These same people were only tooooo willing to sing "fimbo ya nyayo".

Now look at them. With no shame. Then when their names are dropped, some people start talking about "being tasteless".

What is tasteless is being used by a governement to terminate the life of another. What is silly is pretending that people don't know. That they should never know. That they should never say that you were a useless person some years back.

This is just kionjo tu. A lot of people are going to start being named and shamed in public.

Malema just showed Africans how to deal with people who because they have power on Tuesday, expect us to katow to them for their bad behavior.

RIP Matiba and pole to the family.

To the others who are busy trying to change history on wazua, tunangoja yako ili tuwaeleze jamii zako ulivyo kua mtu asiye na adhili njema.

hakuna your tatas!!

Let me ask...do you lose your locus standi to talk about the good aspects of a person just because you didn't agree with them politically?
Let's assume that the person in question did something you never agreed with - does that define him?


Jus coz I disagree with you today doesn't mean kesho or 20 yrs from now I won't be seeing your point!

Kibaki and Biwott were beneficiaries of Matiba's "madness". They formed parties! At that point they must've seen his point!

We will all be discussed too, kwaneee???


ohhh come on!!!!

These people did not take his passport like Miguna.

They tried to kill him. When that did not succeed, they finished, not him, his family's businesses.

These Kanu people you love to wake up at 4am for are very bad people. I don't need to say it, even Satan is aware.

What's happening now is that the common man is being told exactly how bad some of these people really were.

Imagine someone poisoning you, taking your wealth. Then the asshole has the audacity to come to your funeral to sing how great you were.

In other countries, it's legal to shoot such hypocrites.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

masukuma
#140 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:17:30 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,821
Location: Nairobi
alma1 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
masukuma wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Is it fashionable in Kenya to be hypocritical?

We who were born at that time know exactly how some people who were in that pew treated Matiba. Some of us more than you can imagine.

Now we see the same people waxing lyrical on how Matiba was a great man. These same people were only tooooo willing to sing "fimbo ya nyayo".

Now look at them. With no shame. Then when their names are dropped, some people start talking about "being tasteless".

What is tasteless is being used by a governement to terminate the life of another. What is silly is pretending that people don't know. That they should never know. That they should never say that you were a useless person some years back.

This is just kionjo tu. A lot of people are going to start being named and shamed in public.

Malema just showed Africans how to deal with people who because they have power on Tuesday, expect us to katow to them for their bad behavior.

RIP Matiba and pole to the family.

To the others who are busy trying to change history on wazua, tunangoja yako ili tuwaeleze jamii zako ulivyo kua mtu asiye na adhili njema.

hakuna your tatas!!

Let me ask...do you lose your locus standi to talk about the good aspects of a person just because you didn't agree with them politically?
Let's assume that the person in question did something you never agreed with - does that define him?


Jus coz I disagree with you today doesn't mean kesho or 20 yrs from now I won't be seeing your point!

Kibaki and Biwott were beneficiaries of Matiba's "madness". They formed parties! At that point they must've seen his point!

We will all be discussed too, kwaneee???


ohhh come on!!!!

These people did not take his passport like Miguna.

They tried to kill him. When that did not succeed, they finished, not him, his family's businesses.

These Kanu people you love to wake up at 4am for are very bad people. I don't need to say it, even Satan is aware.

What's happening now is that the common man is being told exactly how bad some of these people really were.

Imagine someone poisoning you, taking your wealth. Then the asshole has the audacity to come to your funeral to sing how great you were.

In other countries, it's legal to shoot such hypocrites.


They wanted to kill him? kwani how hard is it to kill a guy?
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