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Hon. Kenneth Stanley Njindo Matiba
limanika
#21 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 12:19:50 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Was Matiba Kenya's enemy No 1 who derailed the match to Canaan in 1992? When all the revolutionary forces had lined up in FORD ready to remove dictator Moi, Matiba spoilt the party and aborted the imminent victory. All the generals at the time had lined up behind Jaramogi - people like Muite, wamalwa, Orengo, Raila, Imanyara, Kiraitu etc. Then matiba who was very unwell at the time both physically and mentally decided to break away and run on his own, or was pushed to run by a selfish cartel that wanted to ride on his name even though they knew his poor health status. And the rest is history.
check your facts again. The difference betwn jaramogi and matiba was on method of nominating the pork candidate. Jaramogi wanted delegates to do the job while matiba wanted the common man to decide. In the end they couldn't agree and the man who could have united them (muliro) died (some say murdered) in the confusion. That said, it was kibaki who split the Kikuyu vote and denied matiba victory
limanika
#22 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 12:21:26 PM
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I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero
aemathenge
#23 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 1:21:38 PM
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Goodbye Norma Jean
Though I never knew you at all
You had the grace to hold yourself
While those around you crawled
They crawled out of the woodwork
And they whispered into your brain
They set you on the treadmill
And they made you change your name

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a kid
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did


Loneliness was tough
The toughest role you ever played
Hollywood created a superstar
And pain was the price you paid
Even when you died
Oh the press still hounded you
All the papers had to say
Was that Marilyn was found in the nude

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a kid
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did


Goodbye Norma Jean
Though I never knew you at all
You had the grace to hold yourself
While those around you crawled

Goodbye Norma Jean
From the young man in the twenty second row
Who sees you as something more than sexual
More than just our Marilyn Monroe

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in
And I would have liked to have known you
But I was just a kid
Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did


Your candle burned out long before
Your legend ever did


Songwriters: Elton John / Bernie Taupin

Candle in the Wind lyrics

© Universal Music Publishing Group
aemathenge
#24 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 1:40:38 PM
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Goodbye England's rose
May you ever grow in our hearts
You were the grace that placed itself
Where lives were torn apart
You called out to our country
And you whispered to those in pain
Now you belong to heaven
And the stars spell out your name

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never fading with the sunset
When the rain set in
And your footsteps will always fall here
Along England's greenest hills
Your candle's burned out long before
Your legend ever will


Loveliness we've lost
These empty days without your smile
This torch we'll always carry
For our nation's golden child
And even though we try
The truth brings us to tears
All our words cannot express
The joy you brought us through the years

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never fading with the sunset
When the rain set in
And your footsteps will always fall here
Along England's greenest hills
Your candle's burned our long before
Your legend ever will

Goodbye England's rose
May you ever grow in our hearts
You were the grace that placed itself
Where lives were torn apart

Goodbye England's rose
From a country lost without your soul
Who'll miss the wings of your compassion
More than you'll ever know

And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a candle in the wind
Never fading with the sunset
When the rain set in
And your footsteps will always fall here
Along England's greenest hills
Your candle's burned out long before
Your legend ever will


Candle in the Wind '97
Elton John

Songwriters: Elton John / Bernie Taupin
Candle in the Wind '97 lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
wukan
#25 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 2:19:21 PM
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limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP
aemathenge
#26 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:12:11 PM
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wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero

All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about.


... and went on to DO something about it when he did.

And true to his kuga na gwika (do or die) traits of doing things, he gave his everything unlike ......

Therein lies @Limanika's expectations for the Flags to fly at half mast.

Of course, the Kamwana Ngaament, being a continuation of the MzeroOne Project, will ignore this request.

May the good Lord rest Stanley Matiba in eternal peace.
kaka2za
#27 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:24:21 PM
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A good proportion of the voters were born post-1992 and have no idea who Matiba is.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
limanika
#28 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:27:25 PM
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wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme
kaka2za
#29 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 3:42:22 PM
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limanika wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme


No he wasn't. 2nd Liberation was triggered by Rev Dr Murere Njoya!
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Lolest!
#30 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 4:35:11 PM
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I like the disagreements here..

We must question the role of our heroes. Even Winnie Mandela's legacy is oft questioned

I have always wondered how it would have been if he had not been rigged out of the 1988 Kanu polls
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limanika
#31 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 6:59:47 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
limanika wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme


No he wasn't. 2nd Liberation was triggered by Rev Dr Murere Njoya!

We respect the contribution of Rev Njoya. Let's not argue about this. Peace
masukuma
#32 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 7:32:13 PM
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limanika wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
limanika wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

Matiba is the father of 2nd liberation. Though jaramogi had been in the trenches for decades, it took matiba's charisma and wealth to force moi to accept. In the process he spent his fortune, lost his health. Of course there were other dynamics that converged at the time e.g. end of cold war, to aid the process, but all the same he is the catalyst we needed. As for collaboration with colonialists b4 independence, opinion is still divided. We needed some to work with mzungu for strategic reasons, provided it was not extreme


No he wasn't. 2nd Liberation was triggered by Rev Dr Murere Njoya!

We respect the contribution of Rev Njoya. Let's not argue about this. Peace

Let me a bit annoying! if it wasn't for the Mlolongo debacle of 88 or there around that knocked out akina matiba from posts in Kanu - we wouldn't be celebrating him. Oginga Odinga and Co. Akina Koigi, Anyona e.t.c. were in the trenches already.
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masukuma
#33 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 7:39:39 PM
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wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kaka2za
#34 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:01:43 PM
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masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?


Mau Mau waged a rebellion against the British rule but they were overwhelmed. The rebellion messed up the agikuyu forever as they turned on each other.
Independence was bound to come with or without Mau Mau just like multiparty democracy would come with or without Matiba
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Taurrus
#35 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:28:28 PM
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masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?

Tell your friend that the Mau Mau spread the Malaria also
Taurrus
#36 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:32:28 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?


Mau Mau waged a rebellion against the British rule but they were overwhelmed. The rebellion messed up the agikuyu forever as they turned on each other.
Independence was bound to come with or without Mau Mau just like multiparty democracy would come with or without Matiba

Very true same like you getting kids without conjugal at child bearing age!
Mike Ock
#37 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 8:38:31 PM
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masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?


Rebelling provided an irritant that definitely factored into the British decision to retreat. They would surely not have retreated if we were just comfortably living under them. They would just have reduced the Empire budget.
Angelica _ann
#38 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 9:17:24 PM
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Mike Ock wrote:
masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?


Rebelling provided an irritant that definitely factored into the British decision to retreat. They would surely not have retreated if we were just comfortably living under them. They would just have reduced the Empire budget.


What about countries that didn't have "mau mau" and still got independence around the same time as us/Kenya?
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wukan
#39 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 9:51:33 PM
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masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
limanika wrote:
I expect flags at half mast and 3 days of mourning for this great hero


What for? Matiba and his father denounced the mau mau collaborated with the colonial state enjoying the state patronage while the peasants struggled for independence. It's only after Moi used the same colonial instruments rigging and detention without trial that Matiba saw the light and start agitating for multiparty democracy. The revolt against Moi/Kanu was already simmering and he conveniently got the leadership role bestowed on him. I don't understand how being a fence-sitter in the first liberation then using the same kikuyu peasants in the second liberation makes him a hero. All he did was understand later in life what the struggle was about. All the same may he RIP

What did the Mau Mau really do? Asking for a friend? They are fabled to have given us independence from Mbeberu...How... they killed around 70 mzungus more Wazungus must have died from Malaria! AGAIN... what did they do?


Where did the landless mau mau remnants settle after independence? In which part of kikuyu land did matiba not receive votes in the 1992 elections? If there was no first liberation what was the second liberation all about? The second liberators are fabled to have liberated us...how...only 27 demonstrators died in the saba saba riots? What did they do? Asking for a friend
limanika
#40 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 9:57:27 PM
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Seems many do not know our history. Am reminded of the time, in the wilderness, Israelites started questioning moses why he ever got them out of Egypt. The story of mau may starts in 1920s when harry thuku formed kca to agitate for gikuyu land rights. That didn't work and elders sent Kenyatta to London in early 1930s to directly engage the British govt for return of the gikuyu land forcibly taken by the wazungu. Kenyatta would stay there till mid 1940s and came back empty handed. At this point the elders felt only option left was to take arms to take back their land. So, in the first instance, mau mau was not about independence but 'return of gikuyu land forcibly taken away from them. Without the struggle, maybe we would have ended up like Zimbabwe
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