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tycho
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:47:36 PM
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I've just come from asking a friend if a water tank is a machine...

And now it's like I'm seeing machines everywhere.

But I've come to a critical point. Are there any non-Turing computation machines? And how would such a machine work?

Maybe for the 'utilitarians' in the house: If we can visualize a non-Turing computation machine, then it's probable that we'd have found a quantum non-Turing computation machine.

And that would mean? Well, if I stretch my imagination then I can say probably more efficient and less costly quantum computers.... Wapi makofi ya @murchr?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:31:28 PM
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tycho wrote:
I've just come from asking a friend if a water tank is a machine...

And now it's like I'm seeing machines everywhere.

But I've come to a critical point. Are there any non-Turing computation machines? And how would such a machine work?

Maybe for the 'utilitarians' in the house: If we can visualize a non-Turing computation machine, then it's probable that we'd have found a quantum non-Turing computation machine.

And that would mean? Well, if I stretch my imagination then I can say probably more efficient and less costly quantum computers.... Wapi makofi ya @murchr?



....Turing machines is one of the most difficult, science-y and abstract concepts to grasp.
It is a deep deep subject, I should know, studied it in undergrad and had to pass some exams too. Can't remember the mumbo jumbo details to be honest. I am convinced you are not expecting any rational or detailed discussion on this forum about this subject. This is a general audience. Perhaps you have read some mildly fascinating technical article (written in the usual bombastic style meant to draw in ordinary non technical folk) and are now just showing off your newly acquired buzz words.
What next? String theory? Gene sequencing? Sorry if I sound harsh ....Don't do this man. Tafadhali
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tycho
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:42:52 PM
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quicksand wrote:
tycho wrote:
I've just come from asking a friend if a water tank is a machine...

And now it's like I'm seeing machines everywhere.

But I've come to a critical point. Are there any non-Turing computation machines? And how would such a machine work?

Maybe for the 'utilitarians' in the house: If we can visualize a non-Turing computation machine, then it's probable that we'd have found a quantum non-Turing computation machine.

And that would mean? Well, if I stretch my imagination then I can say probably more efficient and less costly quantum computers.... Wapi makofi ya @murchr?



....Turing machines is one of the most difficult, science-y and abstract concepts to grasp.
It is a deep deep subject, I should know, studied it in undergrad and had to pass some exams too. Can't remember the mumbo jumbo details to be honest. I am convinced you are not expecting any rational or detailed discussion on this forum about this subject. This is a general audience. Perhaps you have read some mildly fascinating technical article (written in the usual bombastic style meant to draw in ordinary non technical folk) and are now just showing off your newly acquired buzz words.
What next? String theory? Gene sequencing? Sorry if I sound harsh ....Don't do this man. Tafadhali


I was expecting some sort of response from you.

The only disappointment is that:

1. You've admitted that you don't have a positive response to what I may be seeking

and worse is

2.You seem to have an unhealthy attitude towards people who appear to have read an article somewhere...

But you may be right that if you're uncertain about this topic then probably most of the others are and I'm at a dead end as far as conversation with others may go.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:28:32 PM
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This is a general audience. Perhaps you have read some mildly fascinating technical article (written in the usual bombastic style meant to draw in ordinary non technical folk) and are now just showing off your newly acquired buzz words.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly weeh
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
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tycho
#5 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2018 8:05:01 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
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This is a general audience. Perhaps you have read some mildly fascinating technical article (written in the usual bombastic style meant to draw in ordinary non technical folk) and are now just showing off your newly acquired buzz words.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly weeh


Ubaya ya kukeep company ya 'mass man'.
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#6 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2018 2:36:32 PM
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Deviner avant de demontrer! Ai-je besoin de rappeler que c'est ainsi que se
sont faites toutes les decouvertes importantes. Guessing before proving! Need I remind you that it is so that all important discoveries have been made? The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful. If nature were not beautiful, it would not be worth knowing, and if nature were not worth knowing,life would not be worth living.
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tycho
#7 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2018 7:23:14 PM
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Life, will be defined in terms of computation and states or ideas like 'sin' or 'alienation' will be defined in computational terms.

Turing theories will transform and be rid of 'modernist' strains...

But the sweetest thing is the realization that 'heaven' is a computational state that involves the alternation of Turing and non-Turing computation states.
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tycho
#8 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:36:44 AM
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What is love?

Today I've woken up in a disturbed state, and I thank God that so far, 'They' have helped me to see clearly what's happening and what's been happening in my existence.

All my tears are in fact, a consequence of wrong computation... I have to forgive my self first...

In the end, love appears to be something to do with the access to optimal computation.

And sure, 'God' loves me. I'm not sure I love 'them'. But I will surrender my myopic Turing.

And learn to love again.
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