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SA: Seizing land from white farmers
hardwood
#81 Posted : Monday, April 09, 2018 8:08:27 PM
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An African (a slave) taught Jack Daniels how to make whisky. We should all lift our Jack Daniels whisky glasses and toast to the African genius.

The lost story of the slave who taught Jack Daniel how to make whiskey:

hardwood
#82 Posted : Thursday, August 02, 2018 11:51:02 PM
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SA to seize white farms without compensation. A 2017 South African government audit found white people owned 72 per cent of farmland.

https://www.theaustralia...928297e8df0fd88144d7cd7b
whiteowl
#83 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 7:20:23 AM
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One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.
hardwood
#84 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 9:07:59 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?
hardwood
#85 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 9:24:51 AM
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hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Do you know that 99% of the labour in those farms are africans who have farmed for ages and thus very well versed in agriculture. The problem with Zimbabwe is that farming was a white mans exclusive club where they controlled access to loans, machinery and markets. So when blacks were given 20 acres each and couldn't access money to even plough or get seeds, there was bound to be a reduction in production. Same as happened to kenya post independence when the big farms were subdivided and resettled by blacks, though in kenya the effect was minimal because a large number of Europeans still maintained their farms and also some of the farms were taken over intact by the black elites and continued with production.

So just know that after some time zimbabwe will recover. It's better when a black Zimbabwean owns his 20 acres and produces maize and tobacco to feed his family than when he is a farmhand/squatter producing the same maize and tobacco to enrich his white master while being paid slave wages and condemning his kids to perpetual "slavery".

As you can see from the graph below tobacco, the major export has nearly recovered to pre-land seizure days and most of the profits are going to the new black farmers. Also note that zimbabwe went down because the west deliberately sabotaged the economy to punish mugabe for kicking out their white brothers.

whiteowl
#86 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 9:36:35 AM
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hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Im suggesting you do it without crashing production and your currency.
hardwood
#87 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 9:49:02 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Im suggesting you do it without crashing production and your currency.


Of what use are "production and currency" matters to a black guy who is hungry, jobless and landless? Such maneno only matter to his white master whose grain or tobacco stores are full and the markets are strong.
whiteowl
#88 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 9:55:24 AM
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hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Im suggesting you do it without crashing production and your currency.


Of what use are "production and currency" matters to a black guy who is hungry, jobless and landless? Such maneno only matter to his white master whose grain or tobacco stores are full and the markets are strong.


A sudden currency devaluation would hit low income earners the hardest.
hardwood
#89 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 10:00:47 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Im suggesting you do it without crashing production and your currency.


Of what use are "production and currency" matters to a black guy who is hungry, jobless and landless? Such maneno only matter to his white master whose grain or tobacco stores are full and the markets are strong.


A sudden currency devaluation would hit low income earners the hardest.


You'd rather briefly suffer when you are on your own 20 acres than continue with the status-quo ie being landless and living in the townships/slums/farm-workers quarters with no hope for the future.
whiteowl
#90 Posted : Friday, August 03, 2018 10:11:18 AM
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hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
hardwood wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
One big problem with chasing out white farmers is that people will starve and the economy will suffer.One farm feeds an average of 2500 people.So every 400 farmers kicked out is 1 million people without food.They dont have any program for skill transfer so that guys "taking over" the farms will produce a similar output.Turning from a net exporter to importer of food overnight will hit their currency hard considering its already suffering.Trying to correct historical injustice is all good but people have to eat and also need a currency whose worth the paper its printed on.


So are you suggesting that in kenya the white farmers should have retained their lands and africans should have continued being farmhands because one farm fed an average of 2500 kenyans and africans did not have farming skills?


Im suggesting you do it without crashing production and your currency.


Of what use are "production and currency" matters to a black guy who is hungry, jobless and landless? Such maneno only matter to his white master whose grain or tobacco stores are full and the markets are strong.


A sudden currency devaluation would hit low income earners the hardest.


You'd rather briefly suffer when you are on your own 20 acres than continue with the status-quo ie being landless and living in the townships/slums/farm-workers quarters with no hope for the future.


About that, who exactly gets the land and what size? Black "élites" or everybody?
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