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What Ails Africa
kingfisher
#141 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 12:03:34 PM
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@kysse..... YOU. Ok, if you are African that is.
When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
Siringi
#142 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:39:59 PM
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hamburglar
#143 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:45:36 PM
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I know i will get a lot of flak for this but i will go there anyway. Religion is what holds Africans back. Religion teaches people to live by faith, to believe that a non existent god will grant them blessings and favors and that's what makes people complacent. Atheism teaches people to be self reliant. To understand that there is no god to help us so we need to figure out solutions to our problems on our own.

This kind of thinking makes people open their minds up and learn how to brainstorm and solve problems. Atheists don't ever say that "tutawachia mungu" we stay the course and soldier on until we find a solution. Leaving it in "god's hands" is a cop-out, and that is why Africans are the way they are. They don't think, they leave it to a god that does not exist and end up in more poverty while waiting for favors that will never come.

The day Africans will start using logic and reason in place of faith, things will change. In the meantime, they will keep dying poor and destitute while waiting for a bearded make believe god in the sky to give them blessings and favors while they could be making things happen for themselves. Faith suppresses common sense. It teaches you not to think for yourself. Your pastor tells you that god loves you (poor African person) and yet he can't even help you put a meal on the table? What a crock. What kind of warped love is that?

But that 's all good because us Atheists continue to be rich and lead comfortable lives because we have it figured out. So unfortunate to see Africans wallowing in poverty when the answer is right there in front of them. I feel really sorry for people imprisoned by religion and non existent gods. Africa is 90% religious and almost entirely poor while Scandinavian countries are about 70% non-religious and yet are the richest and best places to live. Doesn't that correlation tell you religious people something?
urstill1
#144 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:28:11 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
kysse wrote:
obiero wrote:
most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed


Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed.
Difference is in the mind.

If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants.Applause Applause Applause


You see @kysse this is a rare and a gland opportunity that presents itself and does not require an excuse...smile smile

Or is spotting opportunities one of the reasons that ails Africa???


Immediately after finishing campo, there is a young lady who 'sub-letted' me in her master bedroom in a two bedroomed apartment in Highrise. She was leaving in the other smaller bedroom. We agreed on a monthly rent of 5k. Then few months down the line she decided to rent out her smaller bedroom to a young Canadian girl who had come for charity. She was paying 10k!!! Few months later I was being evicted.
Siringi
#145 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:49:38 AM
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AlphDoti
#146 Posted : Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:53:39 PM
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hamburglar wrote:
I know i will get a lot of flak for this but i will go there anyway. Religion is what holds Africans back. Religion teaches people to live by faith, to believe that a non existent god will grant them blessings and favors and that's what makes people complacent. Atheism teaches people to be self reliant. To understand that there is no god to help us so we need to figure out solutions to our problems on our own.

This kind of thinking makes people open their minds up and learn how to brainstorm and solve problems. Atheists don't ever say that "tutawachia mungu" we stay the course and soldier on until we find a solution. Leaving it in "god's hands" is a cop-out, and that is why Africans are the way they are. They don't think, they leave it to a god that does not exist and end up in more poverty while waiting for favors that will never come.

The day Africans will start using logic and reason in place of faith, things will change. In the meantime, they will keep dying poor and destitute while waiting for a bearded make believe god in the sky to give them blessings and favors while they could be making things happen for themselves. Faith suppresses common sense. It teaches you not to think for yourself. Your pastor tells you that god loves you (poor African person) and yet he can't even help you put a meal on the table? What a crock. What kind of warped love is that?

But that 's all good because us Atheists continue to be rich and lead comfortable lives because we have it figured out. So unfortunate to see Africans wallowing in poverty when the answer is right there in front of them. I feel really sorry for people imprisoned by religion and non existent gods. Africa is 90% religious and almost entirely poor while Scandinavian countries are about 70% non-religious and yet are the richest and best places to live. Doesn't that correlation tell you religious people something?

Kwani how much do you think we worth? And how old do you think we are? You don't know. You are basing your claims on assumptions. You're assuming that you are worth more compared to me or someone else who is religious for that matter.

To be successful is hard work, setting targets, and aim at succeeding in it. Learn from other successful people, let them mentor you. Take control of our own destiny and success.

It's all about the culture.

If people don't know why they need to improve their lives, then there will be nothing to drive them. SO it does not matter whether you are religious or not.

Religion has its place in the society. For example, the goal of Islam is good upbgringing.
It aims at proper caring, rearing, upbringing and moulding of individual in all areas of growth and development. And growth refers to physically growing, and development is in terms of mind.
Griwth and development is a contious process. It does not stop at 18.

Why is that relevant in this argument?
Because religion teaches the lifestyle, they way to live in this universe, what moral and ethical values to adopt. To comply with the laws of nature. To use the resources given by nature, for our own benefit and for the benefit of other creatures. Otherwise, without following a given way of life, our would you be orderly?
So some people believe there is a Creator who Give guidance on how to live on this earth (we can take this offline in your Atheist thread).

In a nutshell, what I'm saying is that your reasoning is not factual. It is based on assumptions. There scientific proof to back your claims that people are poor because they are religious. In fact the top richest people are believers e.g. Moi, Total Man, Kenyatta, Kulei, Ndegwa family, Nyachae, Chandaria, S.K. Macharia, Kibaki. They are all religeous. In fact, we have uncountabel number of religious people even in Kenya who are very smart.

You just have an issue with religion. What ails Africa is other things. We have mentioned many, which ones are not valid? Of course, it is true becuase of the circumstance, people now are vulnarable and majority of them are taken advantage of.
Siringi
#147 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:15:47 AM
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My account has been hackedsmile
this post was made under duress under the influence...

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obiero
#148 Posted : Wednesday, December 06, 2017 5:02:31 PM
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Most Africans do not like to see each other succeed while the opposite is true even in some advanced Arabic speaking countries here in Africa.. The black man is his/her own worst enemy

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#149 Posted : Wednesday, December 06, 2017 7:21:51 PM
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obiero wrote:
Most Africans do not like to see each other succeed while the opposite is true even in some advanced Arabic speaking countries here in Africa.. The black man is his/her own worst enemy


I don't agree. It's not just Africans. Jealousy is universal.

BBI will solve it
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hardwood
#150 Posted : Wednesday, December 06, 2017 10:04:07 PM
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obiero wrote:
Most Africans do not like to see each other succeed while the opposite is true even in some advanced Arabic speaking countries here in Africa.. The black man is his/her own worst enemy


Can you provide data to support your statement. Data from mzungu, Chinaman, Indian, arborigeans, Eskimos, Russians, japanese, Arabs, Pacific islanders, arawaks, amazonians etc.
masukuma
#151 Posted : Monday, April 02, 2018 7:27:26 AM
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Currently reading the book "Why Nations Fail - the origin of power, prosperity and poverty" and came across the south african case - wah.... it now all makes sense. White people created apartheid and executed it with malice. At the beginning Africans were actually becoming prosperous and competing with the white farmers for produce... AND THEN... The Native Land Act of 1913 changed the game.

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The next stage in the development of South Africa came with the discovery of vast diamond reserves in Kimberly in 1867 and of rich gold mines in Johannesburg in 1886. This huge mineral wealth in the interior immediately convinced the British to extend their control over all of South Africa. The resistance of the Orange Free State and the Transvaal led to the famous Boer Wars in 1880-1881 and 1899-1902. After initial unexpected defeat, the British managed to merge the Afrikaner states with the Cape Province and Natal, to found the Union of South Africa in 1910. Beyond the fighting between Afrikaners and the British, the development of the mining economy and the expansion of European settlement had other implications for the development of the area. Most notably, they generated demand for food and other agricultural products and created new economic opportunities for native Africans both in agriculture and trade.

The Xhosa, in the Ciskei and Transkei, reacted quickly to these economic opportunities, as the historian Colin Bundy documented. As early as 1832, even before the mining boom, a Moravian missionary in the Transkei observed the new economic dynamism in these areas and noted the demand from the Africans for the new consumer goods that the spread of Europeans had begun to reveal to them. He wrote, "To obtain these objects, they look ... to get money by the labour of their hands, and purchase clothes, spades, ploughs, wagons and other useful articles."

The civil commissioner John Hemming's description of his visit to Fingoland in the Ciskei in 1876 is equally revealing. He wrote that he was struck with the very great advancement made by the Fingoes in a few years ... Wherever I went I found substantial huts and brick or stone tenements. In many cases, substantial brick houses had been erected ... and fruit trees had been planted; wherever a stream of water could be made available it had been led out and the soil cultivated as far as it could be irrigated; the slopes of the hills and even the summits of the mountains were cultivated wherever a plough could be introduced. The extent of the land turned over surprised me; I have not seen such a large area of cultivated land for years.

As in other parts of sub-Saharan Africa, the use of the plow was new in agriculture, but when given the opportunity, African farmers seemed to have been quite ready to adopt the technology. They were also prepared to invest in wagons and irrigation works.

As the agricultural economy developed, the rigid tribal institutions started to give way. There is a great deal of evidence that changes in property rights to land took place. In 1879 the magistrate in Umzimkulu of Griqualand East, in the Transkei, noted "the growing desire of the part of natives to become proprietors of landโ€”they have purchased 38,000 acres." Three years later he recorded that around eight thousand African farmers in the district had bought and started to work on ninety thousand acres of land.

Africa was certainly not on the verge of an Industrial Revolution, but real change was under way. Private property in land had weakened the chiefs and enabled new men to buy land and make their wealth, something that was unthinkable just decades earlier. This also illustrates how quickly the
weakening of extractive institutions and absolutist control systems can lead to newfound economic dynamism. One of the success stories was Stephen Sonjica in the Ciskei, a self-made farmer from a poor background. In an address in 1911, Sonjica noted how when he first expressed to his father his
desire to buy land, his father had responded: "Buy land? How can you want to buy land? Don't you know that all land is God's, and he gave it to the chiefs only?" Sonjica's father's reaction was understandable. But Sonjica was not deterred. He got a job in King William's Town and noted:

I cunningly opened a private bank account into which I diverted a portion of my savings ... This went only until I had saved eighty pounds ... [I bought] a span of oxen with yokes, gear, plough and the rest of agricultural paraphernalia ... I now purchased a small farm ... I cannot too strongly recommend [farming] as a profession to my fellow man ... They should however adopt modern methods of profit making.

An extraordinary piece of evidence supporting the economic dynamism and prosperity of African farmers in this period is revealed in a letter sent in 1869 by a Methodist missionary, W. J. Davis. Writing to England, he recorded with pleasure that he had collected forty-six pounds in cash "for the
Lancashire Cotton Relief Fund." In this period the prosperous African farmers were donating money for relief of the poor English textile workers!

This new economic dynamism, not surprisingly, did not please the traditional chiefs, who, in a pattern that is by now familiar to us, saw this as eroding their wealth and power. In 1879 Matthew Blyth, the chief magistrate of the Transkei, observed that there was opposition to surveying the land so that it could be divided into private property. He recorded that "some of the chiefs ... objected, but most of the people were pleased ... the chiefs see that the granting of individual titles will destroy their influence among the headmen."

Chiefs also resisted improvements made on the lands, such as the digging of irrigation ditches or the building of fences. They recognized that these improvements were just a prelude to individual property rights to the land, the beginning of the end for them. European observers even noted that chiefs and other traditional authorities, such as witch doctors, attempted to prohibit all "European ways," which included new crops, tools such as plows, and items of trade. But the integration of the Ciskei and the Transkei into the British colonial state weakened the power of the traditional chiefs and authorities, and their resistance would not be enough to stop the new economic dynamism in South Africa. In Fingoland in 1884, a European observer noted that the people had transferred their allegiance to us. Their chiefs have been changed to a sort of titled landowner ... without political power. No longer afraid of the jealousy of the chief or of the deadly weapon ... the witchdoctor, which strikes down the wealthy cattle owner, the able counsellor, the introduction of novel customs, the skilful agriculturalist, reducing them all to the uniform level of mediocrityโ€” no longer apprehensive of this, the Fingo clansman ... is a progressive man. Still remaining a peasant farmer ... he owns wagons and ploughs; he opens water furroughs for irrigation; he is the owner of a flock of sheep.

Even a modicum of inclusive institutions and the erosion of the powers of the chiefs and their restrictions were sufficient to start a vigorous African economic boom. Alas, it would be short lived. Between 1890 and 1913 it would come to an abrupt end and go into reverse. During this period two forces worked to destroy the rural prosperity and dynamism that Africans had created in the previous fifty years. The first was antagonism by European farmers who were competing with Africans. Successful African farmers drove down the price of crops that Europeans also produced. The response of Europeans was to drive the Africans out of business. The second force was even more sinister. The Europeans wanted a cheap labor force to employ in the burgeoning mining economy, and they could ensure this cheap supply only by impoverishing the Africans. This they went about methodically over the next several decades.

The 1897 testimony of George Albu, the chairman of the Association of Mines, given to a Commission of Inquiry pithily describes the logic of impoverishing Africans so as to obtain cheap labor. He explained how he proposed to cheapen labor by "simply telling the boys that their wages are reduced." His testimony goes as follows:

Commission: Suppose the kaffirs [black Africans] retire back to their kraal [cattle pen]? Would you be in favor of asking the Government to enforce labour?

Albu: Certainly ... I would make it compulsory ... Why should a nigger be allowed to do nothing? I think a kaffir should be compelled to work in order to earn his living.

Commission: If a man can live without work, how can you force him to work?

Albu: Tax him, then ...

Commission: Then you would not allow the kaffir to hold land in the country, but he must work for the white man to enrich him?

Albu: He must do his part of the work of helping his neighbours.

Both of the goals of removing competition with white farmers and developing a large low-wage labor force were simultaneously accomplished by the Natives Land Act of 1913. The act, anticipating Lewis's notion of dual economy, divided South Africa into two parts, a modern prosperous part and a
traditional poor part. Except that the prosperity and poverty were actually being created by the act itself. It stated that 87 percent of the land was to be given to the Europeans, who represented about 20 percent of the population. The remaining 13 percent was to go to the Africans. The Land Act had many predecessors, of course, because gradually Europeans had been confining Africans onto smaller and smaller reserves. But it was the act of 1913 that definitively institutionalized the situation and set the stage for the formation of the South African Apartheid regime, with the white minority having both the political and economic rights and the black majority being excluded from both. The act specified that several land reserves, including the Transkei and the Ciskei, were to become the African "Homelands." Later these would become known as the Bantustans, another part of the rhetoric of the Apartheid regime in South Africa, since it claimed that the African peoples of Southern Africa were not natives of
the area but were descended from the Bantu people who had migrated out of Eastern Nigeria about a thousand years before. They thus had no moreโ€” and of course, in practice, lessโ€” entitlement to the land than the European settlers.

The 1913 legislation also included provisions intended to stop black sharecroppers and squatters from farming on white-owned land in any capacity other than as labor tenants. As the secretary for native affairs explained, "The effect of the act was to put a stop, for the future, to all transactions involving anything in the nature of partnership between Europeans and natives in respect of land or the fruits of land. All new contracts with natives must be contracts of service. Provided there is a bona fide contract of this nature there is nothing to prevent an employer from paying a native in kind, or by the privilege of cultivating a defined piece of ground ... But the native cannot pay the master anything for his right to occupy the land."


To the development economists who visited South Africa in the 1950s and '60s, when the academic discipline was taking shape and the ideas of Arthur Lewis were spreading, the contrast between these Homelands and the prosperous modern white European economy seemed to be exactly what the dual
economy theory was about. The European part of the economy was urban and educated, and used modern technology. The Homelands were poor, rural, and backward; labor there was very unproductive; people, uneducated. It seemed to be the essence of timeless, backward Africa.

Except that the dual economy was not natural or inevitable. It had been created by European colonialism. Yes, the Homelands were poor and technologically backward, and the people were uneducated. But all this was an outcome of government policy, which had forcibly stamped out African
economic growth and created the reservoir of cheap, uneducated African labor to be employed in European-controlled mines and lands. After 1913 vast numbers of Africans were evicted from their lands, which were taken over by whites, and crowded into the Homelands, which were too small for them to earn an independent living from. As intended, therefore, they would be forced to look for a living in the white economy, supplying their labor cheaply. As their economic incentives collapsed, the advances that had taken place in the preceding fifty years were all reversed. People gave up their plows and reverted to farming with hoes-- that is, if they farmed at all. More often they were just available as cheap labor, which the Homelands had been structured to ensure.

It was not only the economic incentives that were destroyed. The political changes that had started to take place also went into reverse. The power of chiefs and traditional rulers, which had previously been in decline, was strengthened, because part of the project of creating a cheap labor force was to remove private property in land. So the chiefs' control over land was reaffirmed. These measures reached their apogee in 1951, when the government passed the Bantu Authorities Act. As early as 1940, G. Findlay put his finger right on the issue:

Tribal tenure is a guarantee that the land will never properly be worked and will never really belong to the natives. Cheap labour must have a cheap breeding place, and so it is furnished to the Africans at their own expense.

The dispossession of the African farmers led to their mass impoverishment. It created not only the institutional foundations of a backward economy, but the poor people to stock it.

The available evidence demonstrates the reversal in living standards in the Homelands after the Natives Land Act of 1913. The Transkei and the Ciskei went into a prolonged economic decline. The employment records from the gold mining companies collected by the historian Francis Wilson show
that this decline was widespread in the South African economy as a whole. Following the Natives Land Act and other legislation, miners' wages fell by 30 percent between 1911 and 1921. In 1961, despite relatively steady growth in the South African economy, these wages were still 12 percent lower than they had been in 1911. No wonder that over this period South Africa became the most unequal country in the world.

But even in these circumstances, couldn't black Africans have made their way in the European, modern economy, started a business, or have become educated and begun a career? The government made sure these things could not happen. No African was allowed to own property or start a business
in the European part of the economy~the 87 percent of the land. The Apartheid regime also realized that educated Africans competed with whites rather than supplying cheap labor to the mines and to white-owned agriculture. As early as 1904 a system of job reservation for Europeans was introduced in the mining economy. No African was allowed to be an amalgamator, an assayer, a banksman, a blacksmith, a boiler maker, a brass finisher, a brassmolder, a bricklayer ... and the list went on and on, all the way to woodworking machinist. At a stroke, Africans were banned from occupying any skilled job in the mining sector. This was the first incarnation of the famous "colour bar," one of the several
racist inventions of South Africa's regime. The colour bar was extended to the entire economy in 1926, and lasted until the 1980s. It is not surprising that black Africans were uneducated; the South African state not only removed the possibility of Africans benefiting economically from an education but also refused to invest in black schools and discouraged black education. This policy reached its peak in the 1950s, when, under the leadership of Hendrik Verwoerd, one of the architects of the Apartheid regime that would last until 1994, the government passed the Bantu Education Act. The philosophy behind this act was bluntly spelled out by Verwoerd himself in a speech in 1954:

The Bantu must be guided to serve his own community in all respects. There is no place for him in the European community above the level of certain forms of labour ... For that reason it is to no avail to him to receive a training which has as its aim absorption in the European community while he cannot and will not be absorbed there.

Naturally, the type of dual economy articulated in Verwoerd's speech is rather different from Lewis's dual economy theory. In South Africa the dual economy was not an inevitable outcome of the process of development. It was created by the state. In South Africa there was to be no seamless movement of poor people from the backward to the modern sector as the economy developed. On the contrary, the success of the modern sector relied on the existence of the backward sector, which enabled white employers to make huge profits by paying very low wages to black unskilled workers. In South Africa there would not be a process of the unskilled workers from the traditional sector gradually becoming educated and skilled, as Lewis's approach envisaged. In fact, the black workers were purposefully kept unskilled and were barred from high-skill occupations so that skilled white workers would not face competition and could enjoy high wages. In South Africa black Africans were indeed "trapped" in the traditional economy, in the Homelands. But this was not the problem of development that growth would make good. The Homelands were what enabled the development of the white economy.

It should also be no surprise that the type of economic development that white South Africa was achieving was ultimately limited, being based on extractive institutions the whites had built to exploit the blacks. South African whites had property rights, they invested in education, and they were able to extract gold and diamonds and sell them profitably in the world market. But over 80 percent of the South African population was marginalized and excluded from the great majority of desirable economic activities. Blacks could not use their talents; they could not become skilled workers, businessmen, entrepreneurs, engineers, or scientists. Economic institutions were extractive; whites became rich by extracting from blacks. Indeed, white South Africans shared the living standards of people of Western European countries, while black South Africans were scarcely richer than those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa. This economic growth without creative destruction, from which only the whites benefited, continued as long as revenues from gold and diamonds increased. By the 1970s, however, the economy had stopped growing.

And it will again be no surprise that this set of extractive economic institutions was built on foundations laid by a set of highly extractive political institutions. Before its overthrow in 1994, the South African political system vested all power in whites, who were the only ones allowed to vote and run for office. Whites dominated the police force, the military, and all political institutions. These institutions were structured under the military domination of white settlers. At the time of the foundation of the Union of South Africa in 1910, the Afrikaner polities of the Orange Free State and the Transvaal had explicit racial franchises, barring blacks completely from political participation. Natal and the Cape Colony allowed blacks to vote if they had sufficient property, which typically they did not. The status quo of Natal and the Cape Colony was kept in 1910, but by the 1930s, blacks had been explicitly disenfranchised everywhere in South Africa.

The dual economy of South Africa did come to an end in 1994. But not because of the reasons that Sir Arthur Lewis theorized about. It was not the natural course of economic development that ended the color bar and the Homelands. Black South Africans protested and rose up against the regime that did not recognize their basic rights and did not share the gains of economic growth with them. After the Soweto uprising of 1976, the protests became more organized and stronger, ultimately bringing down the Apartheid state. It was the empowerment of blacks who managed to organize and rise up that ultimately ended South Africa's dual economy in the same way that South African whites' political force had created it in the first place.
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Mike Ock
#152 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2018 4:45:27 AM
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I think one big issue with the current third world is that it's easier to fly out if you're truly sick of your country rather than sit there and change it. Back in the day before cheap boats and planes, governments would be overthrown by the people if things became too much. Nowadays it doesn't make sense to sit and fight for years yet a one way flight to a better country is only a few months savings for the average mwananchi
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