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We either have a constitutional order or we don't... we have 3 arms of government
1) Parliament to write laws
2) Judges TO INTERPRET LAWS
3) The executive to EXECUTE the laws as it interprets and if brought to it's attention as the JUDGES interpret them.
I wrote this sometime back
masukuma wrote:Judges are not always right... but Judges are Judges!
Judges are like bosses and customers... not always right but they are to be listened to! I was impressed when Uhuru submitted himself to an order by the judiciary and came out on top... I knew that we were on the road to a better country after that debacle. But what is astounding now is that if he agreed to accept a ruling on something that major and consequential and quite testing as that... WHY ARGUE WITH JUDGES ON INCONSEQUENTIAL MATTERS SUCH AS MIGUNA? Surely...
Anyway.. So either follow that or... we have Judge Dredd running around... it's our choice.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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Those state agents who drugged Miguna did a shoddy job. They should be dismissed for negligence. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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kaka2za wrote:Those state agents who drugged Miguna did a shoddy job. They should be dismissed for negligence.
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Miguna Miguna is not the most likable person. Not that he's bad looking, the fast receding hairline aside, but his bully tactics and sense of entitlement can't earn anyone wide admiration.
But, don't we all and everything on this planet have our dark and light sides?
Miguna has refused to surrender his PP to facilitate his entrance back home and wrongly argues that being Kenyan born, all he needs is the National ID. But don't be fooled that this is the reason he's being harassed. No.His biggest undoing is the oathing and failure to recognise the "handshake" as a sign to ceasefire. The PP saga is a mere sideshow.
Yet here is a country so ravaged by a legion of more serious and life threatening matters thanks to opportunism and self aggrandisement being the byword for progress.
Indeed we live in a country full of contradictions. The MP who last evening tweeted about Miguna's arrival in Dubai is a known warmonger.... but is a free man. We elect thieves, murderers, rapists and drug peddlers and pay them to steal from us but can't offer sympathy to a son of a peasant farmer who has never been accused of stealing or even hurting a fly.
Miguna maybe wrong but he has not only stood up for his beliefs but is willing to pay the ultimate prize as well. This in spite of wide unfavourable public sentiments and official harassment.
As we usher in the Holy Week me might want to ponder this: can you take a firm stand on something and defend it with such passion and energy. Most of us prefer the usual course of least resistance so as to get on with life.
Well, I have a surprise for you; it's Miguna's of this world who shape the course of history.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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Ngalaka wrote:I am afraid judge Odunga has overreached himself on this one.
Judicial officers are supposed to exercise judicial restraint.
What he has done appears to me to be judicial recklessness.
Such an officer portends risk to societal order.
As such his continued holding of office of judge might be untenable.
The next thing he might do is 'jail' Ruto arbitrarily!
Then the fires begin in Eld, going down to the lake.
That way, the greater good for Kenya is not served.

@Ngalaka, that thing you are calling "greater good" is the tiny mouse in the room that many are refusing to see.
It is for the "greater good" that President Uhuru Kenyatta refused to charge baba for treason after swearing himself president.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Jump-steady wrote:Ngalaka wrote:I am afraid judge Odunga has overreached himself on this one.
Judicial officers are supposed to exercise judicial restraint.
What he has done appears to me to be judicial recklessness.
Such an officer portends risk to societal order.
As such his continued holding of office of judge might be untenable.
The next thing he might do is 'jail' Ruto arbitrarily!
Then the fires begin in Eld, going down to the lake.
That way, the greater good for Kenya is not served.

@Ngalaka, that thing you are calling "greater good" is the tiny mouse in the room that many are refusing to see.
It is for the "greater good" that President Uhuru Kenyatta refused to charge baba for treason after swearing himself president.
I am very sorry to disappoint the greater good people.
All of a sudden you have become Christian saved people. Since Jesus knew the future meaning that he would foresee Adolf Hitler, the greater good would have been to just come back when he did once and for all.
You are trying to say here that Matiangi is God. He is the one who knows what is good for all of us Kenyans.
Jubilee is God, they know what is good for us Kenyans. When they talked to God yesterday, God told them that drugging and refusing to follow a court order is what shall make us all go to heaven.
Moi used to use those same same words and principals. I am only doing this because mwafrika hajui.
No no no. That is the epitome of impunity and to be honest grandiosity.
Everyone is subject to the laws of Kenya. There is nothing like "the greater good" because you are not God today neither shall you be God tomorrow.
Kenya is the only country. The only country in the commonwealth that the gov't has refused to follow a court order. Please google. It is unhead of.
We are now officially a banana republic.
but according to you, we are now a banana republic for the greater good.
How quiant. You can't make up being a sycophant.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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alma1 wrote:Jump-steady wrote:Ngalaka wrote:I am afraid judge Odunga has overreached himself on this one.
Judicial officers are supposed to exercise judicial restraint.
What he has done appears to me to be judicial recklessness.
Such an officer portends risk to societal order.
As such his continued holding of office of judge might be untenable.
The next thing he might do is 'jail' Ruto arbitrarily!
Then the fires begin in Eld, going down to the lake.
That way, the greater good for Kenya is not served.

@Ngalaka, that thing you are calling "greater good" is the tiny mouse in the room that many are refusing to see.
It is for the "greater good" that President Uhuru Kenyatta refused to charge baba for treason after swearing himself president.
I am very sorry to disappoint the greater good people.
All of a sudden you have become Christian saved people. Since Jesus knew the future meaning that he would foresee Adolf Hitler, the greater good would have been to just come back when he did once and for all.
You are trying to say here that Matiangi is God. He is the one who knows what is good for all of us Kenyans.
Jubilee is God, they know what is good for us Kenyans. When they talked to God yesterday, God told them that drugging and refusing to follow a court order is what shall make us all go to heaven.
Moi used to use those same same words and principals. I am only doing this because mwafrika hajui.
No no no. That is the epitome of impunity and to be honest grandiosity.
Everyone is subject to the laws of Kenya. There is nothing like "the greater good" because you are not God today neither shall you be God tomorrow.
Kenya is the only country. The only country in the commonwealth that the gov't has refused to follow a court order. Please google. It is unhead of.
We are now officially a banana republic.
but according to you, we are now a banana republic for the greater good.
How quiant. You can't make up being a sycophant.

Being a sycophant can also be for the greater good
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:We either have a constitutional order or we don't... we have 3 arms of government
1) Parliament to write laws
2) Judges TO INTERPRET LAWS
3) The executive to EXECUTE the laws as it interprets and if brought to it's attention as the JUDGES interpret them.
I wrote this sometime back
masukuma wrote:Judges are not always right... but Judges are Judges!
Judges are like bosses and customers... not always right but they are to be listened to! I was impressed when Uhuru submitted himself to an order by the judiciary and came out on top... I knew that we were on the road to a better country after that debacle. But what is astounding now is that if he agreed to accept a ruling on something that major and consequential and quite testing as that... WHY ARGUE WITH JUDGES ON INCONSEQUENTIAL MATTERS SUCH AS MIGUNA? Surely...
Anyway.. So either follow that or... we have Judge Dredd running around... it's our choice.
This case doesn't show that Kenya isn't a country of laws. Not when the executive can plead necessity.
So please leta ule Jamaa wetu tupate comic relief.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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I have a feeling that one day Miguna will be in goverment.
He has passed the kichwa ngumu test which is a requirement in Kenya.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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