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alma1		#691 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:55:19 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		hardwood wrote: alma1 wrote: Kularaha you were totally correct. Hardwood is Itumbi's mole. Itumbi just quoted Hardwood word for word. In fact one would think hardwood is Itumbi. Eish. I have never seen someone look for lies like that tweet. Do not underestimate the power of sycophancy. Bwana Itumbi, a court order is a court order. I know of people who pretend that they did not see a court order and later they find God in tell the court how sick they were. My frens, I have stated here that the jubilee fellas have no intention of ever following the law. They are a special breed of people who the law does not affect. Woe unto us when the URP wing of these people takes over. Ya Miguna itakuwa shadow. Mungu saidia sisi. The law will be followed to the letter. Miguna will be released from police confinement and allowed to go and process his immigration issues. After he is allowed into Kenya he will be produced in court tmr, or he can choose to take himself to court. The law is the law and it must be followed by all, and laws do not work in isolation of other laws and therefore the court order doesn't in any way emasculate the immigration laws. Bwana ama bii mini Itumbi The Immigration department is under the rule of law of Kenyan courts. The order you wish us not to read includes the Interior Ministry and the Director of Immigration. Now that you have agreed that the police would be holding Miguna illegally can you also think outside Itumbi's system ya facts and know that immigration officers have no choice but to release the Kenyan. Why are you lying soooo loudly. The court order, the third one, clearly includes the immigration department. I find it hard to believe that tax payers are paying such low minds a salary. Anyway no biggie, 4 more years. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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murchr		#692 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:58:22 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980		masukuma wrote: a waste of taxpayers money.... a waste now by giving such kind of work the attention of government workers as well a waste later in years to come when Miguna Miguna will successfully sue the Executive for damages... it's a Pyrrhic and short sighted victory So you think Miguna needed to be allowed to pass using his ID? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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hardwood		#693 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:58:56 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		masukuma wrote: a waste of taxpayers money.... a waste now by giving such kind of work the attention of government workers as well a waste later in years to come when Miguna Miguna will successfully sue the Executive for damages... it's a Pyrrhic and short sighted victory It's the duty of the govt to enforce immigration laws. The world also required Kenya to enforce IATA/ICAO laws and regulations regarding immigration and movement of persons across international borders. Infact Kenya has scored quite highly in following and enforcing immigration laws and procedures. The whole world would have been shocked if the Kenya govt would have allowed a traveler into the country when he didn't have proper travel documents. https://www.icao.int/ESA...val%20of%20Deportees.pdf
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Angelica _ann		#694 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:03:41 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,937		hardwood wrote: Why is baba sooooo silent on this migoona issue? Reports say that he is behind the manenos. Payback time for peeling back the mask. Pole sana Baba ako busy!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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hardwood		#695 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:17:01 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		Bwahahaha. Govt now saying they can't enforce the court order to produce miguna in court tmr because they don't have a person my the name Joshua Miguna Miguna in their custody. They say they only have an undocumented male who arrived on an emirates flight and has no travel documents and therefore don't know who he is. They haven't seen anyone with documents reading Joshua miguna miguna
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Lolest!		#696 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:20:25 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		hardwood wrote: Bwahahaha. Govt now saying they can't enforce the court order to produce miguna in court tmr because they don't have a person my the name Joshua Miguna Miguna in their custody. They say they only have an undocumented male who arrived on an emirates flight and has no travel documents and therefore don't know who he is and there is no way to know who he is. They already invited KNCHR ti witness his grand entry as per court orders, poor excuse!
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alma1		#697 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:22:58 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo		hardwood wrote: Bwahahaha. Govt now saying they can't enforce the court order to produce miguna in court tmr because they don't have a person my the name Joshua Miguna Miguna in their custody. They say they only have an undocumented male who arrived on an emirates flight and has no travel documents and therefore don't know who he is and there is no way to know who he is. It is amazing. You do know that an ID is not the only way to identify an undocumented person? The same officials were this morning tweeting that the same individual was called Miguna Miguna and they were sending papers for him to sign. Hardwood, kwa kweli. You are losing support even from people who don't like Miguna. Very quickly. Do the needful. Take him to court, prove he's not a citizen then deport him. It's that easy. Really shameful for Kenyans at large. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Kusadikika		#698 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:28:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723		hardwood wrote: It's the duty of the govt to enforce immigration laws. The world also required Kenya to enforce IATA/ICAO laws and regulations regarding immigration and movement of persons across international borders. Infact Kenya has scored quite highly in following and enforcing immigration laws and procedures. The whole world would have been shocked if the Kenya govt would have allowed a traveler into the country when he didn't have proper travel documents. https://www.icao.int/ESA...al%20of%20Deportees.pdf @Hardwood aaaaaaaaiiiiii!! This Kenya that has Al Shabab walking in and out like it is their manyatta. If you go to Namanga and stay at the hotel on the Kenyan side you can walk to some food joints on the Tanzanian side because they have better meat. If you are in a bus headed to Tanzania and approach the border you will notice a few watu wa biashara who will ask the driver to allow them to alight a few hundred metres before they reach the border because they do not want to deal with immigration people. They cross on foot and enter the bus when the bus gets to the other side. In short what I am saying is that Kenya's borders are porous and we are not famous in the world for enforcement of immigration laws. Go to Gikomba and find out how many Tanzanian mitumba salesmen have proper travel documents. This is all about Matiang'i's ego and in Miguna he has met his match. Kichwa Ngumu vs Kichwa Ngumu and in this one Matiang'i does not look good at all. He has been ill advised and if someone knows him tell him that it is time to retreat. Imagine if Uhuru had the same mentality that Matiang'i has when August 8 was nullified. He could have lost all legitimacy. It is not too late to release Miguna and admit defeat. Miguna has so many things he needs to do like look for fundis to fix his doors and windows. Kenyans also have a short memory and will soon be tired of listening to Miguna because sooner or later he will be insulting them.
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masukuma		#699 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:30:53 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		@murchr, @hardwood I am just saying it's a rather pointless fight that is heads you lose and tails you lose. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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hardwood		#700 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:32:34 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		alma1 wrote: hardwood wrote: Bwahahaha. Govt now saying they can't enforce the court order to produce miguna in court tmr because they don't have a person my the name Joshua Miguna Miguna in their custody. They say they only have an undocumented male who arrived on an emirates flight and has no travel documents and therefore don't know who he is and there is no way to know who he is. It is amazing. You do know that an ID is not the only way to identify an undocumented person? The same officials were this morning tweeting that the same individual was called Miguna Miguna and they were sending papers for him to sign. Hardwood, kwa kweli. You are losing support even from people who don't like Miguna. Very quickly. Do the needful. Take him to court, prove he's not a citizen then deport him. It's that easy. Really shameful for Kenyans at large. How are authorities expected to identify an undocumented traveler who lands in their airport from dubai and has no travel documents. That is why he was being deported to where he came from. He can only be released when he identifies himself by producing a valid travel document.
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