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Swenani
#611 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:25:48 PM
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And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.

No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.

Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.

Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.

If Miguna refuses to go, then what?

By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.

Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey.



No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market.

Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport.

JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully.


Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it


Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally.



Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya?

In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya



@jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship.

Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi.

If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID.


The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order?


A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document


A visa is not a travel document but a travel facilitation document. ID were required to ISSUE travel docs and FACILITATE his entry back to Kenya
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Swenani
#612 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:28:54 PM
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Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien

The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court.

The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case.

Yes, That's why Matiangi's orders, suspension of his PP and nullification of his citizenship was suspended.

You either decide to follow the law or NOT, you don't decide to follow the favorable laws and ignore the unfavorable parts of the law by reading selectively and having selective amnesia
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Ngalaka
#613 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:29:48 PM
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I am told at one point, justice Lenaola ruled on a similar matter as Miguna's regarding another litigant whereupon he asserted that - such a person would have to re-aply to get back their Kenyan citizenship.

If Miguna did that all this back and forth would end.
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Swenani
#614 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:33:35 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
I am told at one point, justice Lenaola ruled on a similar matter as Miguna's regarding another litigant whereupon he asserted that - such a person would have to re-aply to get back their Kenyan citizenship.

If Miguna did that all this back and forth would end.


Who told you? Post the orders here

Search court cases here
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KulaRaha
#615 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:35:16 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien

The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court.

The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case.


After reading the court document, I agree with you.
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jgithige
#616 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:35:45 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien

The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court.

The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case.

Yes, That's why Matiangi's orders, suspension of his PP and nullification of his citizenship was suspended.

You either decide to follow the law or NOT, you don't decide to follow the favorable laws and ignore the unfavorable parts of the law by reading selectively and having selective amnesia


This MM issue has really watered down the handshake.

Deep inside BABA must be regretting on it. He has no word for his followers. The silence tells it all.
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Ngalaka
#617 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:38:10 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien

The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court.

The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case.


After reading the court document, I agree with you.

Thank you brother @Kulaheppy
Kudos for showing obective attitude on this issue.

You we can castigate the Gotv when it goes wrong (as it so often does) but when there is a non issue......
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kaka2za
#618 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:39:24 PM
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This is not about the law. It is about showing who is the boss.
The lawyers will find some other fish to fry and MM will either toe the govt line or fly back to Toronto.
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kingfisher
#619 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:42:31 PM
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The same order (4) gives one Joshua Miguna Miguna liberty to use his Canadian PP to re-enter and stay in the country until the petition is determined. Why cant he just use that? It is the easier option. And he does not need to give any other reason. Bu he just loves drama. without drama nobody will notice him!!
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Swenani
#620 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:45:07 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien

The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court.

The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case.


After reading the court document, I agree with you.

Thank you brother @Kulaheppy
Kudos for showing obective attitude on this issue.

You we can castigate the Gotv when it goes wrong (as it so often does) but when there is a non issue......
Mgala muuwe lakini haki yake mpe.


@Ngalaka surely, there should be objectivity. If the matter is before the court, why is he being asked to re-apply for citizenship? He can only be deemed a Kenyan non citizen once the court decides so.As of now, he is KENYAN citizen and the same court ordered that he be issued with travel docs and his entry be facilitated ama pia tumefika kwa selective understanding
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