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Nandwa
#601 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:01:19 PM
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Who let the children here?!
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Ngalaka
#602 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:05:05 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.
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KulaRaha
#603 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:07:40 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


If you are restoring, that means presently he is not kenyan. But the court said he is very kenyan.

So who is right?
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Ngalaka
#604 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:10:02 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


If you are restoring, that means presently he is not kenyan. But the court said he is very kenyan.

So who is right?

If they did, I missed that bit, and I would rest my case if you pointed it out to me.
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Swenani
#605 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:12:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
alma1 wrote:
And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.

No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.

Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.

Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.

If Miguna refuses to go, then what?

By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.

Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey.




No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market.

Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport.

JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully.


Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it


Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally.

The court ruled that Miguna should be given back his PP.Since it's the Ke gaarment that destroyed it , it should issue him with a Kenyan passport at the airport to facilitate hs entry



Number 4 ya court order ina sema nini?
A national ID is not a document of travel

Number 6 states miguu must comply with the existing laws


Order No 4 states clearly that ID should issue Miguna with travel docs while order no 6 states that KNHRC should be granted access to immigration and customs clearance areas of the port to monitor MM entry





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Swenani
#606 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:15:58 PM
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guru267 wrote:
jgithige wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
alma1 wrote:
And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.

No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.

Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.

Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.

If Miguna refuses to go, then what?

By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.

Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey.



No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market.

Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport.

JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully.


Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it


Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally.



Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya?

In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya



@jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship.

Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi.

If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID.


The first before your first, The Judge ordered ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order?
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alma1
#607 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:17:14 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


If you are restoring, that means presently he is not kenyan. But the court said he is very kenyan.

So who is right?

If they did, I missed that bit, and I would rest my case if you pointed it out to me.


Ngalaka, read part 1 and 2 of the orders from Swenani.

Effectively telling the gov't to chill out. They have to go to court to determine that issue. Not making tweeter statements.

That is why they are afraid of this issue. It is not Miguna they are afraid of. They are afraid that a court case shall show that they acted illegally. Unfortunately as Jacob Zuma is discovering, you don't stay in gov't forever. Things like this catch up to you.

Court orders are court orders. Unless you are Jubilee of course.
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Swenani
#608 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:18:52 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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murchr
#609 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:19:40 PM
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Swenani wrote:
guru267 wrote:
jgithige wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
murchr wrote:
alma1 wrote:
And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.

No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.

Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.

Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.

If Miguna refuses to go, then what?

By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.

Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey.



No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market.

Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport.

JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully.


Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it


Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally.



Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya?

In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya



@jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship.

Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi.

If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID.


The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order?


A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document
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Ngalaka
#610 Posted : Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:25:03 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Seems the Immigration guys say he isn't Kenyan and the court ruled he is Kenyan.

That's a new spin!
Even his lawyers haven't said that


But if you have to apply for citizenship you are obviously not Kenyan at this moment...

Now that's a fair argument.

Bear in mind he is being asked to re-apply for citizenship to be restored.


Why is he being asked to reapply for citizenship? The court voided Matiangi's order declaring MM allien

The substantive matter of whether or not Miguna is a citizen as at now is yet to be determined by Court.

The orders given were on interlocutory matters arising pending the hearing of the main case.
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