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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,695
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Is Uhuru serious?
He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Kusadikika wrote:Is Uhuru serious?
He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili? Are you the only one who is not aware that we have a deficit of doctors per WHO standards? Kenya needs 63000 more doctors. Language is learnt after all, most of the patient interaction is done by the nurse and clinical officer. The doc comes later to read notes and make follow up consultations. Did the 500 doctors from Tanzania eventually come? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Is Uhuru serious?
He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili? Are you the only one who is not aware that we have a deficit of doctors per WHO standards? Kenya needs 63000 more doctors. Language is learnt after all, most of the patient interaction is done by the nurse and clinical officer. The doc comes later to read notes and make follow up consultations. Did the 500 doctors from Tanzania eventually come? I met some Cuban doctors in West Africa and they spoke good english. 100 is just a drop in the Ocean unless they are speacialists to be attached to Refferral and Level 5 hospitals Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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This is a good sign, but more than the doctors, I hope the president has a team looking into how medicine is financed, managed and delivered at the governmental level, if he is serious about universal health care.
Otherwise he is just playing with our health.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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Dahatre wrote:This is a good sign, but more than the doctors, I hope the president has a team looking into how medicine is financed, managed and delivered at the governmental level, if he is serious about universal health care.
Otherwise he is just playing with our health. Playing with our health is more like it. Stupid move from a govt that is more keen on window dressing than sorting issues. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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kaka2za wrote:murchr wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Is Uhuru serious?
He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili? Are you the only one who is not aware that we have a deficit of doctors per WHO standards? Kenya needs 63000 more doctors. Language is learnt after all, most of the patient interaction is done by the nurse and clinical officer. The doc comes later to read notes and make follow up consultations. Did the 500 doctors from Tanzania eventually come? I met some Cuban doctors in West Africa and they spoke good english. 100 is just a drop in the Ocean unless they are speacialists to be attached to Refferral and Level 5 hospitals Even with the embargos, Cuba managed to have top notch medicare, affordable and accessible to all its citizens. Americans go to Cuba for treatment! Kenya would be blessed to have them here and learn how they do it
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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50 arrived last night then the Star wrote:Justice Onesmus Makau has issued conservatory orders stopping the government from recruiting Cuban doctors.
Makau, who is of the Employment and Labour Relations Court, gave the order on Wednesday, saying the 50 who landed on Monday will not begin work pending the hearing and determination of the suit.
Petitioners Samwel Nduati, Reuel Maina and Francis Thuku - who are unemployed doctors - note that Kenyans should be given first priority, in line with the national values state in the Constitution. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:50 arrived last night then the Star wrote:Justice Onesmus Makau has issued conservatory orders stopping the government from recruiting Cuban doctors.
Makau, who is of the Employment and Labour Relations Court, gave the order on Wednesday, saying the 50 who landed on Monday will not begin work pending the hearing and determination of the suit.
Petitioners Samwel Nduati, Reuel Maina and Francis Thuku - who are unemployed doctors - note that Kenyans should be given first priority, in line with the national values state in the Constitution. While I don't agree with the hiring of foreign doctors. I feel this order is a waste of our resources, why were the conservatory orders not issued before these docs landed in Kenya? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Today's subject for debate: I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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KulaRaha wrote:Today's subject for debate:
I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...
Opinion poll on Kenyan TV channels Quote:Would you trust a cuban doctor over a kenyan doctor? Please sms us at mediaujinga1234 to share you views If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:Today's subject for debate:
I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...
I still trust the older Kenyan doctors. I trust the Cubans over the docs we are producing from our institutions now. But maybe there's nothing wrong with our young doctors but the pressure put on them by hospitals to meet targets through lab tests and to reap off the insurances. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:Today's subject for debate:
I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...
Why? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Methinks for the benefit of society, these said Local Doctors who are unemployed be offered jobs in their area of training as long as there are no underlying issues - after all we are agreed that we have a shortage of medics. Subsequently the Cubans report to Hospital(s) pronto. Separately, a judge has little choice but grant orders as asked by parties as and when warranted in law. Again timing for orders depends on when parties approach Court and the justifications thereof! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Ngalaka wrote:Methinks for the benefit of society, these said Local Doctors who are unemployed be offered jobs in their area of training as long as there are no underlying issues - after all we are agreed that we have a shortage of medics.
Subsequently the Cubans report to Hospital(s) pronto.
Separately, a judge has little choice but grant orders as asked by parties as and when warranted in law. Again timing for orders depends on when parties approach Court and the justifications thereof!
Ex-parte???? I have a problem with this.......
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Ngalaka wrote:Methinks for the benefit of society, these said Local Doctors who are unemployed be offered jobs in their area of training as long as there are no underlying issues - after all we are agreed that we have a shortage of medics.
Subsequently the Cubans report to Hospital(s) pronto.
Separately, a judge has little choice but grant orders as asked by parties as and when warranted in law. Again timing for orders depends on when parties approach Court and the justifications thereof!
Most of these unemployed Kenyan docs dont want to work for County governments who are the "managers" of hospitals "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,503 Location: Uganda
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kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi. punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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newfarer wrote:kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi. A new kind of thinking from Cuba won't harm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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tycho wrote:newfarer wrote:kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi. A new kind of thinking from Cuba won't harm. The Cuban thinking is revolutionary in all aspects. Che, was a medical Doctor himself before he went to the bush. Cuba pulled through years of Embargo and despite the hardships, the people pulled through with Dignity. Was amazed to see even Wajir received a Cuban doc, few weeks after the terror attacks. The small island had wiped Malaria all by itself. We too can learn something from them. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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Gathige wrote:tycho wrote:newfarer wrote:kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi. A new kind of thinking from Cuba won't harm. The Cuban thinking is revolutionary in all aspects. Che, was a medical Doctor himself before he went to the bush. Cuba pulled through years of Embargo and despite the hardships, the people pulled through with Dignity. Was amazed to see even Wajir received a Cuban doc, few weeks after the terror attacks. The small island had wiped Malaria all by itself. We too can learn something from them. They have a very vibrant phamaceutical industry and produce their own variety of drugs (no generics). If antibios resistance becomes endemic most likely Cuba will be the world saviour. Only country with successful cancer vaccine program after Japan. 60% Learning, 30% synthesizing, 10% Debating
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Rank: Hello Joined: 7/1/2018 Posts: 9
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well if those cuban docs treat what kenyan doctors cannot and the treatment is free.then thats good.nothing wrong with that.if they are cheaper than kenyan doctors whynot employ them.and they should import even more...
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