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Kusadikika
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:31:59 PM
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Is Uhuru serious?

He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili?
murchr
#2 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2018 6:17:06 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Is Uhuru serious?

He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili?


Are you the only one who is not aware that we have a deficit of doctors per WHO standards? Kenya needs 63000 more doctors. Language is learnt after all, most of the patient interaction is done by the nurse and clinical officer. The doc comes later to read notes and make follow up consultations.

Did the 500 doctors from Tanzania eventually come?
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kaka2za
#3 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:31:58 AM
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murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Is Uhuru serious?

He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili?


Are you the only one who is not aware that we have a deficit of doctors per WHO standards? Kenya needs 63000 more doctors. Language is learnt after all, most of the patient interaction is done by the nurse and clinical officer. The doc comes later to read notes and make follow up consultations.

Did the 500 doctors from Tanzania eventually come?


I met some Cuban doctors in West Africa and they spoke good english.

100 is just a drop in the Ocean unless they are speacialists to be attached to Refferral and Level 5 hospitals
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Dahatre
#4 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:14:21 PM
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This is a good sign, but more than the doctors, I hope the president has a team looking into how medicine is financed, managed and delivered at the governmental level, if he is serious about universal health care.

Otherwise he is just playing with our health.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:26:23 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
This is a good sign, but more than the doctors, I hope the president has a team looking into how medicine is financed, managed and delivered at the governmental level, if he is serious about universal health care.

Otherwise he is just playing with our health.


Playing with our health is more like it. Stupid move from a govt that is more keen on window dressing than sorting issues.
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Mukiri
#6 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2018 9:12:40 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Is Uhuru serious?

He has struck a deal to bring 100 Cuban doctors to Kenya. Which hospitals will they be posted to? How much will they be paid? Do they speak English or Kiswahili?


Are you the only one who is not aware that we have a deficit of doctors per WHO standards? Kenya needs 63000 more doctors. Language is learnt after all, most of the patient interaction is done by the nurse and clinical officer. The doc comes later to read notes and make follow up consultations.

Did the 500 doctors from Tanzania eventually come?


I met some Cuban doctors in West Africa and they spoke good english.

100 is just a drop in the Ocean unless they are speacialists to be attached to Refferral and Level 5 hospitals

Even with the embargos, Cuba managed to have top notch medicare, affordable and accessible to all its citizens. Americans go to Cuba for treatment! Kenya would be blessed to have them here and learn how they do it

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murchr
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2018 11:30:36 PM
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50 arrived last night then

the Star wrote:
Justice Onesmus Makau has issued conservatory orders stopping the government from recruiting Cuban doctors.

Makau, who is of the Employment and Labour Relations Court, gave the order on Wednesday, saying the 50 who landed on Monday will not begin work pending the hearing and determination of the suit.

Petitioners Samwel Nduati, Reuel Maina and Francis Thuku - who are unemployed doctors - note that Kenyans should be given first priority, in line with the national values state in the Constitution.
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Swenani
#8 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 9:43:57 AM
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murchr wrote:
50 arrived last night then

the Star wrote:
Justice Onesmus Makau has issued conservatory orders stopping the government from recruiting Cuban doctors.

Makau, who is of the Employment and Labour Relations Court, gave the order on Wednesday, saying the 50 who landed on Monday will not begin work pending the hearing and determination of the suit.

Petitioners Samwel Nduati, Reuel Maina and Francis Thuku - who are unemployed doctors - note that Kenyans should be given first priority, in line with the national values state in the Constitution.


While I don't agree with the hiring of foreign doctors. I feel this order is a waste of our resources, why were the conservatory orders not issued before these docs landed in Kenya?
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KulaRaha
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 9:50:13 AM
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Today's subject for debate:

I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...

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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 10:12:30 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Today's subject for debate:

I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...



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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 11:18:34 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Today's subject for debate:

I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...



I still trust the older Kenyan doctors. I trust the Cubans over the docs we are producing from our institutions now.

But maybe there's nothing wrong with our young doctors but the pressure put on them by hospitals to meet targets through lab tests and to reap off the insurances.

BBI will solve it
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#12 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 11:50:54 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Today's subject for debate:

I think I'd trust a Cuban doctor over a Kenyan one...


Why?
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Ngalaka
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 11:51:49 AM
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Methinks for the benefit of society, these said Local Doctors who are unemployed be offered jobs in their area of training as long as there are no underlying issues - after all we are agreed that we have a shortage of medics.

Subsequently the Cubans report to Hospital(s) pronto.

Separately, a judge has little choice but grant orders as asked by parties as and when warranted in law.
Again timing for orders depends on when parties approach Court and the justifications thereof!
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Rahatupu
#14 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 3:58:02 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Methinks for the benefit of society, these said Local Doctors who are unemployed be offered jobs in their area of training as long as there are no underlying issues - after all we are agreed that we have a shortage of medics.

Subsequently the Cubans report to Hospital(s) pronto.

Separately, a judge has little choice but grant orders as asked by parties as and when warranted in law.
Again timing for orders depends on when parties approach Court and the justifications thereof!



Ex-parte???? I have a problem with this.......
murchr
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 07, 2018 4:17:29 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Methinks for the benefit of society, these said Local Doctors who are unemployed be offered jobs in their area of training as long as there are no underlying issues - after all we are agreed that we have a shortage of medics.

Subsequently the Cubans report to Hospital(s) pronto.

Separately, a judge has little choice but grant orders as asked by parties as and when warranted in law.
Again timing for orders depends on when parties approach Court and the justifications thereof!


Most of these unemployed Kenyan docs dont want to work for County governments who are the "managers" of hospitals
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newfarer
#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:04:16 PM
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kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi.
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tycho
#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:32:10 PM
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newfarer wrote:
kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi.


A new kind of thinking from Cuba won't harm.
Gathige
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 12:32:27 AM
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tycho wrote:
newfarer wrote:
kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi.


A new kind of thinking from Cuba won't harm.


The Cuban thinking is revolutionary in all aspects. Che, was a medical Doctor himself before he went to the bush. Cuba pulled through years of Embargo and despite the hardships, the people pulled through with Dignity. Was amazed to see even Wajir received a Cuban doc, few weeks after the terror attacks. The small island had wiped Malaria all by itself. We too can learn something from them.
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Thitifini
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 12:36:46 AM
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Gathige wrote:
tycho wrote:
newfarer wrote:
kumbe it was a good thing..nearly all counties to have a Cuban doctors .our doctors here want to work in Nairobi.


A new kind of thinking from Cuba won't harm.


The Cuban thinking is revolutionary in all aspects. Che, was a medical Doctor himself before he went to the bush. Cuba pulled through years of Embargo and despite the hardships, the people pulled through with Dignity. Was amazed to see even Wajir received a Cuban doc, few weeks after the terror attacks. The small island had wiped Malaria all by itself. We too can learn something from them.


They have a very vibrant phamaceutical industry and produce their own variety of drugs (no generics). If antibios resistance becomes endemic most likely Cuba will be the world saviour.

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davidkenya
#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 11:07:55 AM
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well if those cuban docs treat what kenyan doctors cannot and the treatment is free.then thats good.nothing wrong with that.if they are cheaper than kenyan doctors whynot employ them.and they should import even more...
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