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hardwood
#51 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 11:34:33 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Planting trees is actually a BAD idea because they remove water from an area.

https://forestsnews.cifo...stricken-regions?fnl=en

Quote:
The relationship between forests and water is complex because, at the local level, catchment studies show that trees actually remove water from the system.

Growing trees take water from the soil and release it into the atmosphere. Tree leaves also act as interceptors, catching falling rain, which then evaporates causing rain precipitation elsewhere — a process known as evapo-transpiration.


Please read the entire article.



I have read the entire article. And what the forest experts are saying is that at an individual/local level you may not benefit from more rain if you plant trees because the trees will remove water from your shamba and the water vapour will be transported by wind to go and fall as rain in another area. In other words your trees will leave your shamba with a negative water budget. Did you see the paragraph below in that article?

Quote:
But the use of forests as a climate adaptation tool requires regional, national, and international coordination, Ellison said, because the increased rainfall will likely occur not over the forested region, but elsewhere.

“You can’t just think about this at the level of individual catchments, you have to think about much larger regional relationships. You have to think carefully about how all the different areas of a region are interlinked in terms of the cross-continental transport of water vapour.


Therefore if you want more rain in your shamba in mt kenya you should actually encourage ngilu to plant more trees in kitui......or to ban charcoal burningsmile

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hardwood
#52 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 11:50:11 AM
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@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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kaka2za
#53 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 12:17:41 PM
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hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Different types of trees have varied characteristics. If you own marshy land then eucalyptus trees would be ok because they would capture the water and release it to the ecosystem.

Benefits of forest cover are at a wider geographical scope. A tree planted in Limuru might not bring rain there but will increase rainfall in Kitui for example. Rain falling in Limuru might also be a result of forest cover in Nandi hills.
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hardwood
#54 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 12:23:28 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Different types of trees have varied characteristics. If you own marshy land then eucalyptus trees would be ok because they would capture the water and release it to the ecosystem.

Benefits of forest cover are at a wider geographical scope. A tree planted in Limuru might not bring rain there but will increase rainfall in Kitui for example. Rain falling in Limuru might also be a result of forest cover in Nandi hills.


Exactly, everyone has to plant trees for all to benefit, coz you can't determine where "the rain from your trees" will fall. That is why there is an annual country-wide tree planting activity.
hardwood
#55 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 12:36:26 PM
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hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Different types of trees have varied characteristics. If you own marshy land then eucalyptus trees would be ok because they would capture the water and release it to the ecosystem.

Benefits of forest cover are at a wider geographical scope. A tree planted in Limuru might not bring rain there but will increase rainfall in Kitui for example. Rain falling in Limuru might also be a result of forest cover in Nandi hills.


Exactly, everyone has to plant trees for all to benefit, coz you can't determine where "the rain from your trees" will fall. That is why there is an annual country-wide tree planting activity.


Also the atmosphere above an area with an extensive tree cover is cooler and more humid and therefore any passing clouds condense faster and result in rain. That is why they say trees attract rain.
masukuma
#56 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 2:43:03 PM
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hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Different types of trees have varied characteristics. If you own marshy land then eucalyptus trees would be ok because they would capture the water and release it to the ecosystem.

Benefits of forest cover are at a wider geographical scope. A tree planted in Limuru might not bring rain there but will increase rainfall in Kitui for example. Rain falling in Limuru might also be a result of forest cover in Nandi hills.


Exactly, everyone has to plant trees for all to benefit, coz you can't determine where "the rain from your trees" will fall. That is why there is an annual country-wide tree planting activity.


Also the atmosphere above an area with an extensive tree cover is cooler and more humid and therefore any passing clouds condense faster and result in rain. That is why they say trees attract rain.

perhaps because of the latent heat of vaporization being absorbed all year round since as I mentioned... vegetation 'regulates' evaporation. if rain fell in a place without covering... it would evaporate at once...and the latent heat of vaporization would be absorbed in 1 or 2 days... before things go back to normal. At least that's my thinking!
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hardwood
#57 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 4:02:08 PM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Different types of trees have varied characteristics. If you own marshy land then eucalyptus trees would be ok because they would capture the water and release it to the ecosystem.

Benefits of forest cover are at a wider geographical scope. A tree planted in Limuru might not bring rain there but will increase rainfall in Kitui for example. Rain falling in Limuru might also be a result of forest cover in Nandi hills.


Exactly, everyone has to plant trees for all to benefit, coz you can't determine where "the rain from your trees" will fall. That is why there is an annual country-wide tree planting activity.


Also the atmosphere above an area with an extensive tree cover is cooler and more humid and therefore any passing clouds condense faster and result in rain. That is why they say trees attract rain.

perhaps because of the latent heat of vaporization being absorbed all year round since as I mentioned... vegetation 'regulates' evaporation. if rain fell in a place without covering... it would evaporate at once...and the latent heat of vaporization would be absorbed in 1 or 2 days... before things go back to normal. At least that's my thinking!


The vegetation is very important in making water percolate into the soil. When there is no vegetation cover, most of the rainwater flows downstream causing flash floods and erosion. But when you have a forest, the forest environment acts like a giant sponge which absorbs the rainfall and then releases the water pole pole and that is how we have permanent rivers coming from the forests. That is why forests are called water catchment areas. Therefore though you will still get seasonal/relief rainfall after clearing forests, the water storage characteristic is lost and therefore rivers dry out only flowing during the wet season because the "forest sponge" is gone.
masukuma
#58 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 4:05:26 PM
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hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Different types of trees have varied characteristics. If you own marshy land then eucalyptus trees would be ok because they would capture the water and release it to the ecosystem.

Benefits of forest cover are at a wider geographical scope. A tree planted in Limuru might not bring rain there but will increase rainfall in Kitui for example. Rain falling in Limuru might also be a result of forest cover in Nandi hills.


Exactly, everyone has to plant trees for all to benefit, coz you can't determine where "the rain from your trees" will fall. That is why there is an annual country-wide tree planting activity.


Also the atmosphere above an area with an extensive tree cover is cooler and more humid and therefore any passing clouds condense faster and result in rain. That is why they say trees attract rain.

perhaps because of the latent heat of vaporization being absorbed all year round since as I mentioned... vegetation 'regulates' evaporation. if rain fell in a place without covering... it would evaporate at once...and the latent heat of vaporization would be absorbed in 1 or 2 days... before things go back to normal. At least that's my thinking!


The vegetation is very important in making water percolate into the soil. When there is no vegetation cover, most of the rainwater flows downstream causing flash floods and erosion. But when you have a forest, the forest environment acts like a giant sponge which absorbs the rainfall and then releases the water pole pole and that is how we have permanent rivers coming from the forests. That is why forests are called water catchment areas. Therefore though you will still get relief rainfall after clearing forests, the water storage characteristic is lost and therefore rivers dry out only flowing during the rainy wet season because the "forest sponge" is gone.

that makes sense!
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harrydre
#59 Posted : Friday, March 02, 2018 6:31:08 PM
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So using these illustrations, can we say water/rain is only transformed from an area(form) to another and not necessarily lost. i.e ukame in one area could be a blessing in another...something similar to the first law of thermodynamics(energy)
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#60 Posted : Saturday, March 03, 2018 7:12:26 PM
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hardwood wrote:
@kaka2za to give an example, those who plant eucalyptus forests do not end up with more rain but dry shambas and depleted water sources. The trees do not "pull rain" but rather remove soil moisture and loose it in the atmosphere where it goes to fall as rain in other areas. All the other tree species do the same but at a lower scale. That is why there is an outcry against eucalyptus e.g. the link below.

https://www.standardmedi...-water-sources-in-kisii

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Type of tree is a determinant yes but there are many species of trees whose water consumption is underrated and have deeper roots than eucalyptus
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