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President Uhuru Kenyatta 2nd Term - 2017/2022
KulaRaha
#131 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:33:04 PM
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Much Know wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Many of this Rich countries and economies owe the poor Kenyan farmers several more times more, and it looks like they are all agreeing to pay up, our debt is insignificant, our creditors owe us trillions, wasi wasi mingi kama kuku ni ya nini?


Wow, pls share details of all these nations who owe us money?

This is a first...I'm surprised no one talks about this information.

smile

We started receiving this money in 2015, was all over press, but more is coming, even ICC said they want to get involved, in which hole have you been living? Google carbon footprint, this is ancient news and SDG goals make it certain, their is no escape from climate change obligations e.t.c.


Oh, so lending us money at 7.25% is "paying us back"?

d'oh!
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Musimo
#132 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:01:13 PM
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An old man sitting on a stool can see farther than a young man who has climbed a tree.
I recall sometime back when mumias wanted to do sugarcane plantations around the tana delta area then process the same in kakamega, thus raising output and lowering prices based on two points: 1. Bulk production of cane plus transportation upwards would reduce the price per tonne of cane, so that(for example) if farmers want to be paid sh. 4000 per tonne for 100,000 tonnes while mumias works to produce cane at sh.2000 per tonne for 500,000 tonnes, then cane purchases/acquisition would end up at {(2000*500000)+(4000*100000)/(500000+100000)} thus approximately sh.2350 per tonne Improving their extraction processes and it would be evident that the sugar would be as competitive as brazilian and/or zambian sugar. 2. Weather in areas like kwale, where KISCOL is irrigating sugarcane and says maturity is a year compared to 18 months for cane in western kenya. Thus in 3 years, cane in the coastal area has been harvested 3 times compared to 2 in western kenya. I think you get the drift of the production and crushing capacity item. Same strategy with maize, galana kulalu is working towards producing ~2 million bags of maize, per bag costs would be drastically lowered when mixed with maize bought at sh. 3000 per bag from farmers. The maize stocks would also be able to support the animal farming industry via production of silage, enabling milk yields remain constant throughout the year and to some extent lower milk prices due to lower feed costs and stable milk production. Target is to feed ourselves and become net food exporters. The loans we are crying about would be easier to clear,seeing how in 2017 we spent between 40 and 60 billion in subsidies for maize and sugar. With those savings and even more exports (e.g. selling maize and handling logistics for NGOs in South Sudan, Southern Ethiopia, Somalia, CAR, DR Congo...the potential becomes clearer by the day.
Let's ignore the busy-bodies called activists who would rather we let rivers flow all the way to the ocean instead of utilizing the waters for our benefit, lets take economists speak on costs not being viable with a pinch of salt. These are not investments that are supposed to bring/show returns in 3-5 years; they are expected to last a lifetime, just like the metre gauge line has for the last 100+ years. Rewards will come.
Much Know
#133 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:04:44 PM
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wukan wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Who wouldnt want to buy 10 yr USD paper at 7.25%?

Only a fool would pay that much...


smile

You must start somewhere, it will come down to circa 3%, you must admit our Muthamaki is a financial genius of the highest caliber.
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Swenani
#134 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:09:08 PM
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Much Know wrote:
wukan wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Who wouldnt want to buy 10 yr USD paper at 7.25%?

Only a fool would pay that much...


smile

You must start somewhere, it will come down to circa 3%, you must admit our Muthamaki is a financial genius of the highest caliber.

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aemathenge
#135 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:42:52 PM
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Location: Kerugoya
Musimo wrote:
An old man sitting on a stool can see farther than a young man who has climbed a tree.

I recall sometime back when Mumias wanted to do sugarcane plantations around the Tana Delta area then process the same in Kakamega, thus raising output and lowering prices based on two points:

(1.) Bulk production of cane plus transportation upwards would reduce the price per tonne of cane,

....so that (for example) if farmers want to be paid Kshs. 4,000 per tonne for 100,000 tonnes while Mumias works to produce cane at Kshs. 2,000 per tonne for 500,000 tonnes, then cane purchases/acquisition would end up at {(2000*500000)+(4000*100000)/(500000+100000)}

…thus approximately Ksh. 2,350 per tonne Improving their extraction processes and it would be evident that the sugar would be as competitive as Brazilian and/or Zambian sugar.

(2.) Weather in areas like Kwale, where KISCOL is irrigating sugarcane and says maturity is a year compared to 18 months for cane in western Kenya.

Thus in 3 years, cane in the coastal area has been harvested 3 times compared to 2 in western Kenya.

I think you get the drift of the production and crushing capacity item.

Same strategy with maize.

Galana Kulalu is working towards producing ~2 million bags of maize.

Per bag costs would be drastically lowered when mixed with maize bought at Kshs. 3,000 per bag from farmers.

The maize stocks would also be able to support the animal farming industry via production of silage, enabling milk yields remain constant throughout the year and to some extent lower milk prices due to lower feed costs and stable milk production.

Target is to feed ourselves and become net food exporters.

The loans we are crying about would be easier to clear, seeing how in 2017 we spent between 40 and 60 billion in subsidies for maize and sugar.

With those savings and even more exports (e.g. selling maize and handling logistics for NGOs in South Sudan, Southern Ethiopia, Somalia, CAR, DR Congo...the potential becomes clearer by the day.

Let's ignore the busy-bodies called activists who would rather we let rivers flow all the way to the ocean instead of utilizing the waters for our benefit,

Lets take economists speak on costs not being viable with a pinch of salt.

These are not investments that are supposed to bring/show returns in 3-5 years.

They are expected to last a lifetime, just like the metre gauge line has for the last 100+ years.

Rewards will come.


I have tried but I simply cannot make head or tail of what he is rumbling on about.
Angelica _ann
#136 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:54:52 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,936
aemathenge wrote:
Musimo wrote:
An old man sitting on a stool can see farther than a young man who has climbed a tree.

I recall sometime back when Mumias wanted to do sugarcane plantations around the Tana Delta area then process the same in Kakamega, thus raising output and lowering prices based on two points:

(1.) Bulk production of cane plus transportation upwards would reduce the price per tonne of cane,

....so that (for example) if farmers want to be paid Kshs. 4,000 per tonne for 100,000 tonnes while Mumias works to produce cane at Kshs. 2,000 per tonne for 500,000 tonnes, then cane purchases/acquisition would end up at {(2000*500000)+(4000*100000)/(500000+100000)}

…thus approximately Ksh. 2,350 per tonne Improving their extraction processes and it would be evident that the sugar would be as competitive as Brazilian and/or Zambian sugar.

(2.) Weather in areas like Kwale, where KISCOL is irrigating sugarcane and says maturity is a year compared to 18 months for cane in western Kenya.

Thus in 3 years, cane in the coastal area has been harvested 3 times compared to 2 in western Kenya.

I think you get the drift of the production and crushing capacity item.

Same strategy with maize.

Galana Kulalu is working towards producing ~2 million bags of maize.

Per bag costs would be drastically lowered when mixed with maize bought at Kshs. 3,000 per bag from farmers.

The maize stocks would also be able to support the animal farming industry via production of silage, enabling milk yields remain constant throughout the year and to some extent lower milk prices due to lower feed costs and stable milk production.

Target is to feed ourselves and become net food exporters.

The loans we are crying about would be easier to clear, seeing how in 2017 we spent between 40 and 60 billion in subsidies for maize and sugar.

With those savings and even more exports (e.g. selling maize and handling logistics for NGOs in South Sudan, Southern Ethiopia, Somalia, CAR, DR Congo...the potential becomes clearer by the day.

Let's ignore the busy-bodies called activists who would rather we let rivers flow all the way to the ocean instead of utilizing the waters for our benefit,

Lets take economists speak on costs not being viable with a pinch of salt.

These are not investments that are supposed to bring/show returns in 3-5 years.

They are expected to last a lifetime, just like the metre gauge line has for the last 100+ years.

Rewards will come.


I have tried but I simply cannot make head or tail of what he is rumbling on about.


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hardwood
#137 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:05:49 PM
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Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
aemathenge wrote:
Musimo wrote:

Let's ignore the busy-bodies called activists who would rather we let rivers flow all the way to the ocean instead of utilizing the waters for our benefit,

Lets take economists speak on costs not being viable with a pinch of salt.

These are not investments that are supposed to bring/show returns in 3-5 years.

They are expected to last a lifetime, just like the metre gauge line has for the last 100+ years.

Rewards will come.


I have tried but I simply cannot make head or tail of what he is rumbling on about.


He has a very important point. Why should water be flowing for 500km, unutilized, from the central highlands and mt Kenya all the way to the indian ocean? Ukambani and coast should be Kenya's bread basket after taking advantage of the river tana and athi. Just like egypt has become a bread basket after utilizing the nile, and that is where we import rice, wheat, grapes and oranges from. Or the way Israelis have utilized the river Jordan. But it seems kenyans are dumb, unlike the jews and egyptians.
aemathenge
#138 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:18:04 PM
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Location: Kerugoya
hardwood wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Musimo wrote:

Let's ignore the busy-bodies called activists who would rather we let rivers flow all the way to the ocean instead of utilizing the waters for our benefit,

Lets take economists speak on costs not being viable with a pinch of salt.

These are not investments that are supposed to bring/show returns in 3-5 years.

They are expected to last a lifetime, just like the metre gauge line has for the last 100+ years.

Rewards will come.


I have tried but I simply cannot make head or tail of what he is rumbling on about.


He has a very important point. Why should water be flowing for 500km, unutilized, from the central highlands and mt Kenya all the way to the indian ocean? Ukambani and coast should be Kenya's bread basket after taking advantage of the river tana and athi. Just like egypt has utilised the nile in Egypt where we import rice, wheat, grapes and oranges from. Or the way Israelis have utilized the river Jordan. But it seems kenyans are dumb, unlike the jews and egyptians.


Granted.

Someone somewhere did the Seven Folks Dams while Minji Minji is supervising a Dam in Our County.

My problem is that right now, the Senate is preparing the budget for the next financial year and these busybodies should be sending their wish baskets to them and not wasting bandwidth posting mathogothanio all over the Virtual Republic.
hardwood
#139 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:35:30 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
aemathenge wrote:
hardwood wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Musimo wrote:

Let's ignore the busy-bodies called activists who would rather we let rivers flow all the way to the ocean instead of utilizing the waters for our benefit,

Lets take economists speak on costs not being viable with a pinch of salt.

These are not investments that are supposed to bring/show returns in 3-5 years.

They are expected to last a lifetime, just like the metre gauge line has for the last 100+ years.

Rewards will come.


I have tried but I simply cannot make head or tail of what he is rumbling on about.


He has a very important point. Why should water be flowing for 500km, unutilized, from the central highlands and mt Kenya all the way to the indian ocean? Ukambani and coast should be Kenya's bread basket after taking advantage of the river tana and athi. Just like egypt has utilised the nile in Egypt where we import rice, wheat, grapes and oranges from. Or the way Israelis have utilized the river Jordan. But it seems kenyans are dumb, unlike the jews and egyptians.


Granted.

Someone somewhere did the Seven Folks Dams while Minji Minji is supervising a Dam in Our County.

My problem is that right now, the Senate is preparing the budget for the next financial year and these busybodies should be sending their wish baskets to them and not wasting bandwidth posting mathogothanio all over the Virtual Republic.


Very sad that we are always complaining about flooding and crocodiles in the tana delta, while Egyptians are making billions cultivating the Nile delta and selling to us, even with their annual flooding and crocodiles.
hardwood
#140 Posted : Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:57:54 PM
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What if the county govts of mayakos, makueni, embu, meru, garissa, tana river, kilifi supplied water pumps for irrigation for all those living within 10km of the 500km tana and Athi rivers? Or the county govts compulsorily acquired the land for food security like egypt has done. Those counties would be feeding kenya and even minting billions from food exports. If egyptians can do it, kenyans surely can. Muwache kulalia masikio.
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