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masukuma
#71 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2018 10:23:07 AM
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I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.
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wukan
#72 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2018 10:51:06 AM
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Posts: 1,656
masukuma wrote:
I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.


Because in every country that has undergone a debt crisis it is the middle class that shrinks most melting into poverty and the poor really suffer.

Check out what Brazil went through you will realize why the impeached their president for lying about debt.

Quote:
Brazil is the country that might have become another Japan. Instead, it is flat broke, with a broken spirit and an empty treasury.

The Brazilian ''miracle'' - the spurt of growth from the late 1960's to the late 1970's - became the economist's model of the way to manage expansion from agrarian stagnation to the newly industrialized stage.

Now, however, Brazil is in its third year of recession, and the country that once was the world banking system's ideal borrower pleads for loans just to pay the interest on its debts.

How Brazil fell to a position where it is known best today for the weight of its $92 billion foreign debt, larger than that of any other country, is a matter that absorbs all those who have a stake in the country - Brazilians themselves and the industrial world, which relies for much of its own prosperity on the health of developing countries such as Brazil.

Leading Brazilians both inside and outside the Government cite the effects of the sharp rise in oil prices during the 1970's on an economy that had been building its future on imported oil. They blame Western banks for heaping an insupportable burden of loans on the country. And they blame the United States for incurring budget deficits of $200 billion a year that have forced up world interest rates and hence affected the ability of Brazil to make interest payments.

Ultimately, however, they blame Brazil's technocrats, the people who took the bankers' money.


Dose this sound familiar to Jubilee 5000Mw power project, SGR, road annuity.

Quote:
'Pharaonic Projects' Cited

The technocrats' errors, in the view of many Brazilians, involved Pharaonic projects, many of which were conceived to protect Brazil from future oil-price shocks.

For example, until the current economy forced them to postpone some, the Government-owned power utilities were building enough plants - hydroelectric, nuclear and coal - to produce more power than Brazil is expected to need well beyond the year 2000.

In addition, a multibillion-dollar railroad, with many costly bridges and tunnels, is being built alongside a railroad that, critics contend, might have been rehabilitated at much lower cost.


Read the rest http://www.nytimes.com/1...apse.html?pagewanted=all
masukuma
#73 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2018 12:31:42 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
wukan wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.


Because in every country that has undergone a debt crisis it is the middle class that shrinks most melting into poverty and the poor really suffer.

Check out what Brazil went through you will realize why the impeached their president for lying about debt.

Quote:
Brazil is the country that might have become another Japan. Instead, it is flat broke, with a broken spirit and an empty treasury.

The Brazilian ''miracle'' - the spurt of growth from the late 1960's to the late 1970's - became the economist's model of the way to manage expansion from agrarian stagnation to the newly industrialized stage.

Now, however, Brazil is in its third year of recession, and the country that once was the world banking system's ideal borrower pleads for loans just to pay the interest on its debts.

How Brazil fell to a position where it is known best today for the weight of its $92 billion foreign debt, larger than that of any other country, is a matter that absorbs all those who have a stake in the country - Brazilians themselves and the industrial world, which relies for much of its own prosperity on the health of developing countries such as Brazil.

Leading Brazilians both inside and outside the Government cite the effects of the sharp rise in oil prices during the 1970's on an economy that had been building its future on imported oil. They blame Western banks for heaping an insupportable burden of loans on the country. And they blame the United States for incurring budget deficits of $200 billion a year that have forced up world interest rates and hence affected the ability of Brazil to make interest payments.

Ultimately, however, they blame Brazil's technocrats, the people who took the bankers' money.


Dose this sound familiar to Jubilee 5000Mw power project, SGR, road annuity.

Quote:
'Pharaonic Projects' Cited

The technocrats' errors, in the view of many Brazilians, involved Pharaonic projects, many of which were conceived to protect Brazil from future oil-price shocks.

For example, until the current economy forced them to postpone some, the Government-owned power utilities were building enough plants - hydroelectric, nuclear and coal - to produce more power than Brazil is expected to need well beyond the year 2000.

In addition, a multibillion-dollar railroad, with many costly bridges and tunnels, is being built alongside a railroad that, critics contend, might have been rehabilitated at much lower cost.


Read the rest http://www.nytimes.com/1...pse.html?pagewanted=all


Ukikataa kulipa?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Swenani
#74 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2018 12:33:55 PM
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masukuma wrote:
I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.


Hii sio coding
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wukan
#75 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2018 12:56:17 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,656
masukuma wrote:
wukan wrote:
[quote=masukuma]I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.




Ukikataa kulipa?


You go the Venezuelan way inflationary collapse and regime change. SA under apartheid govt underwent a debt crisis that's how the white minority lost power.

In worst case China now has a military base at Djibouti(yeah there is nothing like free lunch)...kataa kulipa utajua malenge ni mboga
FRM2011
#76 Posted : Friday, February 16, 2018 4:16:14 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
mpobiz wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Euge wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

https://www.businessdail...6838-ow7077z/index.html

Does anyone know where this land is located in Mavoko ?? This pilot phase is likely to be done SGR style. 8,000 units. That would be twice the size of Nyayo Embakasi.


No idea. Its a great opportunity for us who are real hustlers


They just said its Mavoko. I am suspecting its EAPCC land. Next to the superior homes project. There is so much money to be made here. Lets stay alert.

Stay alert so that we can do what? Make money together with them or watch them make the money.


Sometimes i read comments like this and I want to scream. Then I remember some people here are employed. Every end month someone puts money in their account. I have them working for me. Majority can never connect what they do every day and the money in their account at the end of the month.

Back to your "clinic" question. I might be the worst critic of SGR but i made more money from its construction than most jubilee supporters can ever dream of.
mpobiz
#77 Posted : Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:49:50 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 8/10/2010
Posts: 2,265
FRM2011 wrote:
mpobiz wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Euge wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

https://www.businessdail...6838-ow7077z/index.html

Does anyone know where this land is located in Mavoko ?? This pilot phase is likely to be done SGR style. 8,000 units. That would be twice the size of Nyayo Embakasi.


No idea. Its a great opportunity for us who are real hustlers


They just said its Mavoko. I am suspecting its EAPCC land. Next to the superior homes project. There is so much money to be made here. Lets stay alert.

Stay alert so that we can do what? Make money together with them or watch them make the money.


Sometimes i read comments like this and I want to scream. Then I remember some people here are employed. Every end month someone puts money in their account. I have them working for me. Majority can never connect what they do every day and the money in their account at the end of the month.

Back to your "clinic" question. I might be the worst critic of SGR but i made more money from its construction than most jubilee supporters can ever dream of.

I am saddened by your assumptions that in this country we jubilleeants can only make money through the SGR or from government projects.
I believe also that you have been a member here long enough to understand that your money is simply your money and its of no consequence to all of us. We are just lucky that this is not instagram where you can post your fake pathetic life. So I take it with a lot of contempt that what ever you have just said is just literal farts.
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
limanika
#78 Posted : Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:01:27 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 9/21/2011
Posts: 2,032
wukan wrote:
[quote=masukuma]I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.


Because in every country that has undergone a debt crisis it is the middle class that shrinks most melting into poverty and the poor really suffer.

Check out what Brazil went through you will realize why the impeached their president for lying about debt.

Quote:
Brazil is the country that might have become another Japan. Instead, it is flat broke, with a broken spirit and an empty treasury.

The Brazilian ''miracle'' - the spurt of growth from the late 1960's to the late 1970's - became the economist's model of the way to manage expansion from agrarian stagnation to the newly industrialized stage.

Now, however, Brazil is in its third year of recession, and the country that once was the world banking system's ideal borrower pleads for loans just to pay the interest on its debts.

How Brazil fell to a position where it is known best today for the weight of its $92 billion foreign debt, larger than that of any other country, is a matter that absorbs all those who have a stake in the country - Brazilians themselves and the industrial world, which relies for much of its own prosperity on the health of developing countries such as Brazil.

Leading Brazilians both inside and outside the Government cite the effects of the sharp rise in oil prices during the 1970's on an economy that had been building its future on imported oil. They blame Western banks for heaping an insupportable burden of loans on the country. And they blame the United States for incurring budget deficits of $200 billion a year that have forced up world interest rates and hence affected the ability of Brazil to make interest payments.

Ultimately, however, they blame Brazil's technocrats, the people who took the bankers' money.


Dose this sound familiar to Jubilee 5000Mw power project, SGR, road annuity.

Quote:
'Pharaonic Projects' Cited

The technocrats' errors, in the view of many Brazilians, involved Pharaonic projects, many of which were conceived to protect Brazil from future oil-price shocks.

For example, until the current economy forced them to postpone some, the Government-owned power utilities were building enough plants - hydroelectric, nuclear and coal - to produce more power than Brazil is expected to need well beyond the year 2000.

In addition, a multibillion-dollar railroad, with many costly bridges and tunnels, is being built alongside a railroad that, critics contend, might have been rehabilitated at much lower cost.


Read the rest http://www.nytimes.com/1...pse.html?pagewanted=all[/quote]
You borrow money from China. One condition is that the contractor must be chinese. The Chinese contractor buys 80% or more of the materials from China. They employ chinese for skilled and non skilled llabour from China. Finally 90% of the borrowed money finds its way back in China by the time you complete the project. And you still have to pay the debt in full + interest. Meanwhile nobody ever worked out what is the economic value of the project under such circumstances. But somehow,you still expect things to work out...
Fyatu
#79 Posted : Saturday, February 17, 2018 7:12:13 PM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
wukan wrote:
masukuma wrote:
I have always wondered why people fear national debt... if someone is unwise enough to give you lots of money bila conditions or collateral - the joke is on him.


Because in every country that has undergone a debt crisis it is the middle class that shrinks most melting into poverty and the poor really suffer.

Check out what Brazil went through you will realize why the impeached their president for lying about debt.

Quote:
Brazil is the country that might have become another Japan. Instead, it is flat broke, with a broken spirit and an empty treasury.

The Brazilian ''miracle'' - the spurt of growth from the late 1960's to the late 1970's - became the economist's model of the way to manage expansion from agrarian stagnation to the newly industrialized stage.

Now, however, Brazil is in its third year of recession, and the country that once was the world banking system's ideal borrower pleads for loans just to pay the interest on its debts.

How Brazil fell to a position where it is known best today for the weight of its $92 billion foreign debt, larger than that of any other country, is a matter that absorbs all those who have a stake in the country - Brazilians themselves and the industrial world, which relies for much of its own prosperity on the health of developing countries such as Brazil.

Leading Brazilians both inside and outside the Government cite the effects of the sharp rise in oil prices during the 1970's on an economy that had been building its future on imported oil. They blame Western banks for heaping an insupportable burden of loans on the country. And they blame the United States for incurring budget deficits of $200 billion a year that have forced up world interest rates and hence affected the ability of Brazil to make interest payments.

Ultimately, however, they blame Brazil's technocrats, the people who took the bankers' money.


Dose this sound familiar to Jubilee 5000Mw power project, SGR, road annuity.

Quote:
'Pharaonic Projects' Cited

The technocrats' errors, in the view of many Brazilians, involved Pharaonic projects, many of which were conceived to protect Brazil from future oil-price shocks.

For example, until the current economy forced them to postpone some, the Government-owned power utilities were building enough plants - hydroelectric, nuclear and coal - to produce more power than Brazil is expected to need well beyond the year 2000.

In addition, a multibillion-dollar railroad, with many costly bridges and tunnels, is being built alongside a railroad that, critics contend, might have been rehabilitated at much lower cost.


Read the rest http://www.nytimes.com/1...pse.html?pagewanted=all



The New York times article referenced above is dated 1983. It is important that i remind you that TODAY(2018), Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the World. Perhaps due to the debt they took for massive infrastructural development(Pharaonic Projects) in the past.Uhuruto must borrow and ensure that borrowed funds build assets that will give Kenya and edge in the next 50 years.That legacy will last forever.

@Mugundaman has described some wazuans as people who love to hear themselves speak despite not knowing what they are talking about.

Some other wazuan lamented that wazua is increasingly becoming a melting pot of river road economics/ist

I urge Uhuruto handlers who visit wazua to remind CIC that he must not fail in delivering key infrastructure.for example, at the very least SGR must touch lake Victoria, the 3 lamu berths must be complete, Mombasa-mariakani superhighway, 200,000 houses etc by 2022
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Liv
#80 Posted : Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:04:10 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 11/14/2006
Posts: 1,311
mpobiz wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
mpobiz wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Euge wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

https://www.businessdail...6838-ow7077z/index.html

Does anyone know where this land is located in Mavoko ?? This pilot phase is likely to be done SGR style. 8,000 units. That would be twice the size of Nyayo Embakasi.


No idea. Its a great opportunity for us who are real hustlers


They just said its Mavoko. I am suspecting its EAPCC land. Next to the superior homes project. There is so much money to be made here. Lets stay alert.

Stay alert so that we can do what? Make money together with them or watch them make the money.


Sometimes i read comments like this and I want to scream. Then I remember some people here are employed. Every end month someone puts money in their account. I have them working for me. Majority can never connect what they do every day and the money in their account at the end of the month.

Back to your "clinic" question. I might be the worst critic of SGR but i made more money from its construction than most jubilee supporters can ever dream of.

I am saddened by your assumptions that in this country we jubilleeants can only make money through the SGR or from government projects.
I believe also that you have been a member here long enough to understand that your money is simply your money and its of no consequence to all of us. We are just lucky that this is not instagram where you can post your fake pathetic life. So I take it with a lot of contempt that what ever you have just said is just literal farts.



@ mpobiz.... word!!
Normally watu wakujigamba hivyo have only that... kujigamba...lol
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