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quicksand wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:someone in the blue section said that wazua has become a river road economic discussion forum, or something like that.
I mean yaani, one can quantify a good governor by a mango factory and grading earth roads, then providing water pans, seriously water pans and earth roads.
if that is our idea of good leadership and development, we are surely in a dire situation.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Prof Kibwana stood up to the MCA pests that were blackmailing him in a show of total brinkmanship. Other governors simply capitulate and have nothing to show, in fact they just join in the feeding frenzy. The protracted conflict probably led to a lot of lost time but then there was no wanton waste either.
This man has my respect.
You have a governor, right? What has he done? Tell us ...
we surely have to aim at a proper level, at least tarmac roads, at least provide piped water, that's the least they should be doing, we are not talking about nuclear power plants that need a rare and specific skill set, we are not talking about neurosurgery centers that need specialized training, we are talking about earth roads and water pans, lets be serious earth roads and water pans
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
Ywa, sir, ever heard prioritization of resources? It'not like Makueni has a bottomless pit of funds to tarmack rds, provide piped water etc If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,822 Location: Nakuru
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FRM2011 wrote:
The biggest problem here is our lack of appreciation of what makes Makueni tick. ZERO CORRUPTION.
Makueni govt has approached poverty reduction in two strategies. Boost household income and provide safety nets for the vulnerable.
Almost every household has a few mango and orange trees. The brokers have been having a field day exploiting these poor farmers. Now there is a ready buyer offering fair prices. Household earnings from mangoes have skyrocketed. Brokers used to buy @3/- per fruit.
They have a new slogan in Kikamba that every home and some milk. (O nyumba na kalia). And again the county govt is offering a ready market. Makueni fresh. Muranga has been trying to set their milk processing plant but it will put the governor on a collision course with our monarch family.
Why were KCC, KMC, KPCU successful ventures until the Moi era crooks laid their hands on them ? Because government can actually run highly efficient organizations.
The late Gachagua tried to fix the mess with coffee prices in Nyeri and the cartels came out fighting with all they got. Had he succeeded, Nyeri would have been the first success story of devolution.
Once again, Jubilee people understand government to be the place you go to enrich yourself. You can't view Kivutha Kibwana with such lenses. That is why Makueni looks surreal to you. You must be wondering how he will recover his campaign money. How he will get his cut if he pays farmers so much for their mangoes. The truth is he won't. I know its difficult to believe but not everyone wants to be a billionaire arap singh style.
In Nyeri, my grandmother and friends started producing milk for sale eons ago..
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But this is not to discredit good work that is going on in Makueni or Machakos
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
Ywa, sir, ever heard prioritization of resources? It'not like Makueni has a bottomless pit of funds to tarmack rds, provide piped water etc
on a serious note, I believe a government should aim or do what the local people can not, I mean if a nyumba kumi elder organized his members to set up water pans, that would be ok, but a government should aim to do more.
I mean imagine a government buying mangoes from its citizens at 3 bob, will you ever lift those people out of poverty, they should be giving them subsidies, and credit to buy canters to transport their mangoes and tractors to expand their farm operations, not buying mangoes from them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
Ywa, sir, ever heard prioritization of resources? It'not like Makueni has a bottomless pit of funds to tarmack rds, provide piped water etc
on a serious note, I believe a government should aim or do what the local people can not, I mean if a nyumba kumi elder organized his members to set up water pans, that would be ok, but a government should aim to do more.
I mean imagine a government buying mangoes from its citizens at 3 bob, will you ever lift those people out of poverty, they should be giving them subsidies, and credit to buy canters to transport their mangoes and tractors to expand their farm operations, not buying mangoes from them.
I dont know how it works in kenya but where i live, companies pay huge tax to the counties first,before the main gvt gets her share.
This money is further invested in education,health and county roads.
If that is the case in kenya too, Makueni gvt would benefit, in not only providing ready market for her people but also in tax revenue which in retun they could invest in infrastructure. So,it can only be a win-win situation for makueni.
Me thinketh both approaches from Mutua and the good old Prof are both right.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
Ywa, sir, ever heard prioritization of resources? It'not like Makueni has a bottomless pit of funds to tarmack rds, provide piped water etc
Kenyans generally thinks that the gvt has always endless supply of money to fund all the projects if it wishes to. i think economics should be made a compulsory subject in school
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
Isnt SGR INFRASTRUCTURE? This wazuan here is of the opinion that govt shouldn't seek to profit from the rail - FRM is the one who's been of the idea that the rail should be making profit now.
On Makueni. I can clearly see where the constitutional prof is coming from. He has noted that his county is poor and identified areas where they as a county residents would benefit and his ideas are noble. Now, in as much as building a mango/fruit factory is necessary, the investment in the plant would have been better in the long run if it was done by a Sacco, or a specialized company as an investor. Govt is not good in running business because the players change, the next governor may not have an interest in mango production hence neglecting any maintenance and upgrading of the facility. We all know how parastatals ended up.
If this investment was channeled to water projects like the Nol Turesh - Nzai water tank which has a capacity of 13.6 million litres wouldn't it be wise to invest in the distribution of this water allover Makueni? And wouldn't all kinds of fruit/veg processors want to be in Makueni if there are good roads, reliable water, and proper policies in place?
SGR railway line is infrastructure, SGR Trains are NOT .
My understanding is that-I stand to be collected- both plants have been done under PPP if not done, the county govt is look for an investor for both plants.
The county govt plans for water development, harvesting,conservation and distribution is over a 10 yr period which is covered in the makueni vision 2025 If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
Ywa, sir, ever heard prioritization of resources? It'not like Makueni has a bottomless pit of funds to tarmack rds, provide piped water etc
on a serious note, I believe a government should aim or do what the local people can not, I mean if a nyumba kumi elder organized his members to set up water pans, that would be ok, but a government should aim to do more.
I mean imagine a government buying mangoes from its citizens at 3 bob, will you ever lift those people out of poverty, they should be giving them subsidies, and credit to buy canters to transport their mangoes and tractors to expand their farm operations, not buying mangoes from them.
You're arguing from a point of lack of information
Soma hapa then come back and critique
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Fullykenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:Yaani the same people saying that govt role should be to set up infrastructure are the same people supporting and asking the uninformed wazuans to give gaarment time to run and manage SGR to start making MONEY.Same people who said it was better to start somewhere with diesel locomotives but not okay for Makueni gaarment to start somewhere with water pans and grading earth roads.
ujinga ingine ni ya kujipaka
yaani you seriously are for this, water pans and earth roads, you are okay starting from somewhere with water pans and earth roads.
Ywa, sir, ever heard prioritization of resources? It'not like Makueni has a bottomless pit of funds to tarmack rds, provide piped water etc
Kenyans generally thinks that the gvt has always endless supply of money to fund all the projects if it wishes to. i think economics should be made a compulsory subject in school
Its not really about how much money is to be used but sustainability of the projects you are throwing money into. I was shocked to see the good gov earning brownie points on water pans yet in 2014, the Senator of Makueni had initiated talks to have Nol Turesh water company, how did that go? 5 years ago the Mks gov was bashed for building a cheap tarmac road which Wazua engineers threw eggs on but the road stands till today, serving as a connector btn Mks Kitui and central counties. We need to stop thinking small. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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