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masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hardwood wrote:Before the new stupid katiba, there was no provision of dual citizenship. Therefore when miguna took up Canadian citizenship he automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship. After the new katiba, him being a Canadian citizen, he got a chance to regain his Kenyan citizenship but this was to be done through application. He never applied and therefore he remains a Canadian citizen. Now, even if he applies for Kenyan citizenship he won't get it because he is a Canadian mercenary who has committed a capital offence against Kenya. Also the govt should confiscate all his property in Kenya, including his house at 486 Runda meadows since he is an enemy of the state. How correct is this image:  that's the law... if someone has no interest in your "precious" citizenship and gave it up a long time ago - you cannot 'FORCE' him/her to be your citizen just because you passed a law. What if his/he current citizenship does not allow him/her to be a dual citizen? what if he/she can lose his/her newly found citizenship based on being a citizen of another country? you must accord people the courtesy to apply for themselves if they are interested. Agreed. APPLICATION rationale in the law now makes sense
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. The US of AQuote:People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest. UKQuote:If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.
You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.
If your evidence is rejected you can:
appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.
If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.
Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.
An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:
you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you. Please be a little more honest! The links you provided put paid to your case! Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective In the case of USA there is what they call expedited removal. Quote:Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process. And that's ^^ from your link. The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. The US of AQuote:People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest. UKQuote:If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.
You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.
If your evidence is rejected you can:
appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.
If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.
Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.
An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:
you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you. Please be a little more honest! The links you provided put paid to your case! Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective In the case of USA there is what they call expedited removal. Quote:Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process. And that's ^^ from your link. The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here read to understand not to respond. Quote: Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. The US of AQuote:People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest. UKQuote:If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.
You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.
If your evidence is rejected you can:
appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.
If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.
Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.
An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:
you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you. Please be a little more honest! The links you provided put paid to your case! Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective In the case of USA there is what they call expedited removal. Quote:Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process. And that's ^^ from your link. The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here read to understand not to respond. Quote: Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons
Cherry picking... again! Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together. A little honesty wont hurt. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Article by The Standard in April 2012Quote:
Published Thu, April 12th 2012 at 00:00, Updated Thu, April 12th 2012 at 00:00 GMT
By Chris Wamalwa in USA Kenyans in the Diaspora who acquired citizenship of other countries before the promulgation of the New Constitution must apply to regain Kenyan citizenship. The Constitution Implementation Commission Mr Charles Nyachae told a meeting attended by Kenyans living in Canada that majority of them assume that they regain citizenship due to the Dual Citizenship clause "According to the constitution, the moment you acquired citizenship of another country (before August 2010), the operational piece of the constitution kicked in and you automatically lost your Kenyan citizenship making you a "foreigner" in your own country," said Nyachae, chairman of CIC.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedi...hip-shocker-for-diaspora
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Gathige wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. Last time Trump chartered a plane for Somali and Kenyan deportees. First stop was JKIA for the Kenyans to disembark and then to Moga for our brothers True! Even Obama, one of the best US presidents executed lots of deportations. The long and short of it is that each jurisdiction have their ways of dealing with deportation matters. We have heard cases where the point at which such an immigrant is nabbed, he is rushed straight to the nearest airport leaving all their earthly belongings there. This has befallen many of our brethren out there. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. The US of AQuote:People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest. UKQuote:If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.
You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.
If your evidence is rejected you can:
appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.
If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.
Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.
An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:
you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you. Please be a little more honest! The links you provided put paid to your case! Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective In the case of USA there is what they call expedited removal. Quote:Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process. And that's ^^ from your link. The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here read to understand not to respond. Quote: Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons
Cherry picking... again! Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together. A little honesty wont hurt. Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on? Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally? In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. The US of AQuote:People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest. UKQuote:If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.
You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.
If your evidence is rejected you can:
appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.
If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.
Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.
An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:
you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you. Please be a little more honest! The links you provided put paid to your case! Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective In the case of USA there is what they call expedited removal. Quote:Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process. And that's ^^ from your link. The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here read to understand not to respond. Quote: Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons
Cherry picking... again! Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together. A little honesty wont hurt. Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on? Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally? In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from. Each jurisdiction have their own way of executing deportations. UK's is not the same as US'. But both have options of executing deportations without reference to the Courts. Immigration officials determine by themselves and proceed to deport. The cherry picking case; In the US as per your link persons who have already been residing in the US for are subject to expedited deportation. Quote:In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from That's only one instance in the US. There are other situations where expedited removal applies. Read your link!!!!! And btw we dont have to copy USA way to the letter. Kenya has her own way of doing things. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:Swenani wrote:Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. The US of AQuote:People accused of illegally entering the United States begin a long legal process of lengthy hearings which may end in rapid deportations or eventual release. The process usually starts with an arrest. UKQuote:If you’ve broken the immigration rules, for example by living in the UK illegally, the Home Office can make you leave. Most people call this being deported, but it’s technically called administrative removal.
You’ll get a chance to provide evidence that you should be able to stay in the UK.
If your evidence is rejected you can:
appeal (if you have appeal rights - this information will be on your letter from the Home Office)
choose to leave
If your appeal isn’t likely to succeed you should leave voluntarily, because you’ll be banned from the UK for 10 years if you’re deported.
If you choose to leave you can return to the UK in between 1 and 5 years, depending on your circumstances.
Providing evidence
If the Home Office want to deport you, they’ll tell you in writing. You can respond to their letter with reasons you should be able to stay in the UK. How to do this, and the deadline, will be explained in your letter.
An immigration specialist will help you respond with reasons that the Home Office will accept, for example if:
you have strong connections and family in the UK (deporting you would go against your human rights)
returning to your home country would be dangerous (you can apply for asylum)
You’ll either be allowed to stay in the UK, or the Home Office will begin the process of deporting you. Please be a little more honest! The links you provided put paid to your case! Don't cherry pick on what to copy paste here. Let's be Objective In the case of USA there is what they call expedited removal. Quote:Individuals found to have entered the U.S. illegally or those who have overstayed their visas may be deported through the expedited removal process. And that's ^^ from your link. The full meaning of expedited removal can be seen here read to understand not to respond. Quote: Expedited removal is the process by which a non-U.S. citizen can be denied entry and physically removed from a U.S. Port of Entry (“POE”) upon seeking admission to the United States. Orders of expedited removal are issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (“CBP”) officials at a POE. The expedited removal process can only be used in certain situations when CBP officers have determined that an individual is inadmissible for one, or a combination of, the following reasons
Cherry picking... again! Expedited removal as seen in your link and my link. Both read together. A little honesty wont hurt. Can you point what exactly I'm chery picking on? Did Miguna overstay his visa, did he enter the country illegally? In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from. Each jurisdiction have their own way of executing deportations.UK's is not the same as US'. But both have options of executing deportations without reference to the Courts. Immigration officials determine by themselves and proceed to deport. The cherry picking case; In the US as per your link persons who have already been residing in the US for are subject to expedited deportation. Quote:In our case, if we wanted to expedite Miguna's case, that should have been done at the POE on the day he arrived through denial of entry and deporting him back to whichever country he came from That's only one instance in the US. There are other situations where expedited removal applies. Read your link!!!!! And btw we dont have to copy USA way to the letter.
Kenya has her own way of doing things. What was the purpose of this argument again? Ngalaka wrote:By the way, in the developed world democracies, how do they deport people. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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