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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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The whole premise for SGR was cargo, not passengers. If cargo doesn't work...SGR has failed. Current rate is 80k from Mombasa to Nairobi door to door, return is extra. This rate of 64k may work, since return is included. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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KulaRaha wrote:The whole premise for SGR was cargo, not passengers. If cargo doesn't work...SGR has failed.
Current rate is 80k from Mombasa to Nairobi door to door, return is extra.
This rate of 64k may work, since return is included. This is the subsidized rate according to KR. When does the commercial rate kick in?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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mkeiy wrote:Gathige wrote:mkeiy wrote:Impunity wrote:Why must it weight to fill up the entire train?
It should bring home whatever it gets and the volume will build up mdogo mdogo.
Let the train come to Nairobi even with 30 containers...no need to wait for 104 plus containers.
Nkt It will be a loss-making trip in that case. It's like driving a bus from Msa to Nai with only 20 or so passengers and 40 empty seats. Kwani ni charity? Moving on. Can you imagine the agony of the importers whose shipments have been lying on the tracks all that long and have no idea how long it will take before they get their goods? Lost business, demurrage, penalties, loss of exporters' trust,etc,etc. Public enterprises like railways, water works, sewers etc are not motivated by profit but public good. What the cargo rail cab best do is develop a schedule and move whatever is available. No trader will wait for the train to get full to transport his container whereas there is a truck waiting to deliver same day at a marginal cost difference Railway is unlike the others you have mentioned. It's not a basic amenity hence it must sustain itself by making money. The ones that make money are the operators who run wagons/Cabins on the tracks owned by states. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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https://www.businessdail...56176-9kjspy/index.html
Quote:The first consignment of 52 export containers ferried on the standard gauge railway (SGR) arrived at the Mombasa port on Monday.
Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said most of the containers were exports by logistics firm Bolore Africa.
“Bolore has 48 containers loaded with coffee and French beans while the others belong to three companies and contain wood carvings and animal skins,” he told the Business Daily in a telephone interview.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:SGR has released the new subsidized rates. 64K for 20-foot and 84K for 40-foot. https://www.the-star.co....onth-flat-rate_c1694702
@mkeiy and @mkimwa. Kindly explain to Wazuans how those figures compare with the truckers. Factor in last mile trip as we. @FRM. Poorly. Truckers charge about 90k for a 40ft,return. The 84k rate from SGR means you top another 20k or so to get the container at your door. A total of about 104k.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/First-52-export-containers-of-SGR-cargo-arrive-at-port/539546-4256176-9kjspy/index.html Quote:The first consignment of 52 export containers ferried on the standard gauge railway (SGR) arrived at the Mombasa port on Monday.
Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said most of the containers were exports by logistics firm Bolore Africa.
“Bolore has 48 containers loaded with coffee and French beans while the others belong to three companies and contain wood carvings and animal skins,” he told the Business Daily in a telephone interview. A good start. However,in order to taste the broth, get hold of Bolore or DHL and get a quote for a 40ft container from Msa to Nai(door step) and report back here. All in all, some positive progress.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Gathige wrote:mkeiy wrote:Gathige wrote:mkeiy wrote:Impunity wrote:Why must it weight to fill up the entire train?
It should bring home whatever it gets and the volume will build up mdogo mdogo.
Let the train come to Nairobi even with 30 containers...no need to wait for 104 plus containers.
Nkt It will be a loss-making trip in that case. It's like driving a bus from Msa to Nai with only 20 or so passengers and 40 empty seats. Kwani ni charity? Moving on. Can you imagine the agony of the importers whose shipments have been lying on the tracks all that long and have no idea how long it will take before they get their goods? Lost business, demurrage, penalties, loss of exporters' trust,etc,etc. Public enterprises like railways, water works, sewers etc are not motivated by profit but public good. What the cargo rail cab best do is develop a schedule and move whatever is available. No trader will wait for the train to get full to transport his container whereas there is a truck waiting to deliver same day at a marginal cost difference Railway is unlike the others you have mentioned. It's not a basic amenity hence it must sustain itself by making money. The ones that make money are the operators who run wagons/Cabins on the tracks owned by states. Which operators then? Isn't the contracted Chinese the operator in our case? The one you are saying should bring empty wagons and not have to wait? If I may ask you, why is SGR more expensive than tracking on the road? In my thinking, it should be cheaper.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently. Who can help out with precise location of 'intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations' especially in Ngong and Ongata Rongai? Upcoming....?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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wa P wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently. Who can help out with precise location of 'intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations' especially in Ngong and Ongata Rongai? Upcoming....? @Wa P. In Ongata Rongai, there will be two stations, 1. Tuala area ( not sure about exact location). 2. Kambi Moto (Accessed via Rimpa - Ole Kasasi Rd, 4 Km from Magadi road or a shortcut road which is opposite Fatima Hosp, joining Ole Kasasi Rd, 2 Km from Magadi road). ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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tinker wrote:wa P wrote:UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently. Who can help out with precise location of 'intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations' especially in Ngong and Ongata Rongai? Upcoming....? @Wa P. In Ongata Rongai, there will be two stations, 1. Tuala area ( not sure about exact location). 2. Kambi Moto (Accessed via Rimpa - Ole Kasasi Rd, 4 Km from Magadi road or a shortcut road which is opposite Fatima Hosp, joining Ole Kasasi Rd, 2 Km from Magadi road). Thank you, @tinker. Wondering if the stations will be separate for passenger and freight/ cargo; and what are the upsides in having a freight terminal in O.Rongai. Some investors wish to put up a export-centric plant for light technical products best freighted to port by train (low volume, high value); proximity to freight terminal is desired. Also proximity to Nairobi city, the urban labor pool and access to airport are key drivers(Suswa/ Naivasha/ Mai Mahiu not desired).
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