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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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FRM2011 wrote:harrydre wrote:
How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.
Boss, elections ended. I suspect you saw my name and the topic and you went straight into defensive mode. My observation was simply about Uhuru's remark that a single train could replace the trucks. That was factually incorrect. I am sure we agree on this. Now, did the president make a mistake ? I don't think so. He has some of the sharpest minds advising him. Was it a typo ? Absolutely not. I suspect it was very crafty political messaging. You know that SGR has delivered what he said it would deliver. 90% of Kenyans cannot grasp those numbers. The reactions to his tweet were adequate proof. On the numbers, KPA is about 1.2 million TEUs annually. Our friend @mkimwa is a veteran of long distance trucking. He explained with figures why SGR cannot take over business from the trucks. In case you missed it, even with the current subsidized SGR rates, trucks are still 30% cheaper. And they deliver to the doorstep. However, some types of cargo will move to SGR automatically. Think steel, iron, printing papers e.t.c. Mainly heavy stuff that exceed the 28T maximum load per container. They will be moving 1M by rail annually, the trucks can move the rest. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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https://www.businessdail...9844-lyshtkz/index.html
Speaking to the Business Daily Wednesday, Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said the locomotive will instead arrive on Thursday because it’s not filled to capacity.
“The second cargo train which was expected to arrive in Nairobi today from Mombasa will arrive tomorrow because it is not full,” said Mr Maina."
The above scenario had been predicted by one of our own members here called @kysse. She is an insider in logistics. I suspect she is with one of the top logistics firms. Either DHL, Bollore or Kuehne+Nagel. Madam @kysse, if you are there. Now is the time to guide the discourse on this forum with an insider view. Why on earth would the SGR lack cargo on the second day of operations ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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FRM2011 wrote:https://www.businessdail...9844-lyshtkz/index.html
Speaking to the Business Daily Wednesday, Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said the locomotive will instead arrive on Thursday because it’s not filled to capacity.
“The second cargo train which was expected to arrive in Nairobi today from Mombasa will arrive tomorrow because it is not full,” said Mr Maina."
The above scenario had been predicted by one of our own members here called @kysse. She is an insider in logistics. I suspect she is with one of the top logistics firms. Either DHL, Bollore or Kuehne+Nagel. Madam @kysse, if you are there. Now is the time to guide the discourse on this forum with an insider view. Why on earth would the SGR lack cargo on the second day of operations ? You can do better than this. Even a roadside lunch kibanda/kiosk isn't filled to capacity on 2nd day of operation. Humans need some time to switch from what they are used to.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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tinker wrote:How come the contractor is already working at MaiMahiu, when we were told the final route across NNP has not been decided?. I have not seen any work along Magadi road or Ngong Rd. A lot has been happening 'kwa mchina'. ( thats what they call the factory). Not visible from the main road.I use the route as a shortcut. Divert from the main road as you are going towards masai lodge,turn right then left,you will get there..just follow the many trucks. I used to think it was a nuclear facility coming up because of its size,security and the daily though hidden activities because of the fence.Let me see if I can upload the images I took today.    "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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On the last photo,behind the trucks is a raised bridge.We were unable to use that section. I only rembered to take a photo after we had crossed so its not very clear. Hundreds of workers were on site. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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tinker wrote:Are there plans to connected Nairobi [SGR] station to JKIA?. I have been to Casablanca-Morocco and the train from Airport to Casa port is the preferred mode of transport. http://www.oncf.ma I misread your post. Icd to jkia is a very short distance. Our export market consists of perishables which mostly fly by air. What would necessitate this? "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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hardwood wrote:FRM2011 wrote:https://www.businessdail...9844-lyshtkz/index.html
Speaking to the Business Daily Wednesday, Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said the locomotive will instead arrive on Thursday because it’s not filled to capacity.
“The second cargo train which was expected to arrive in Nairobi today from Mombasa will arrive tomorrow because it is not full,” said Mr Maina."
The above scenario had been predicted by one of our own members here called @kysse. She is an insider in logistics. I suspect she is with one of the top logistics firms. Either DHL, Bollore or Kuehne+Nagel. Madam @kysse, if you are there. Now is the time to guide the discourse on this forum with an insider view. Why on earth would the SGR lack cargo on the second day of operations ? You can do better than this. Even a roadside lunch kibanda/kiosk isn't filled to capacity on 2nd day of operation. Humans need some time to switch from what they are used to..... several reasons. 1.KPA delays-system issues-affects truckers as well. 2.KPA bureacracy -The Kenya Ports Authority (KPA) has since said it will initially allocate just 40 per cent of its yard containers, about 400,000 per year or 33,333 per month, to the SGR trains. 3.Client preference-To door is most preferred. Will inquire more. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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essyk wrote:On the last photo,behind the trucks is a raised bridge.We were unable to use that section.
I only rembered to take a photo after we had crossed so its not very clear.
Hundreds of workers were on site. Thanks @essyk for the infor. I admire the Chinese audacity of "going ahead with the job", and modus operandi (working away from public eye) despite the court case. Without ignoring the 'big boss' support they are getting, I believe this is one classical example that makes chinese contractors stand-out from the rest. I c ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2008 Posts: 380
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harrydre wrote:FRM2011 wrote:washiku wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.
The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.
Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.
Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers. What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed? It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less. If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything. On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses. The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday. How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim. Check this document.. http://top.ttcanc.org/do...ocid=150410290402214866
Page 34 contains the average number of trucks that pass at each weighbridge. Roughly 2500 trucks pass at Mariakani every day. Uhuru's figures are definitely wrong on this one. The traffic is way more than 104 containers per day. Read the full report to understand the dynamics of transportation in East Africa.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:https://www.businessdail...9844-lyshtkz/index.html
Speaking to the Business Daily Wednesday, Kenya Railways managing director Atanas Maina said the locomotive will instead arrive on Thursday because it’s not filled to capacity.
“The second cargo train which was expected to arrive in Nairobi today from Mombasa will arrive tomorrow because it is not full,” said Mr Maina."
The above scenario had been predicted by one of our own members here called @kysse. She is an insider in logistics. I suspect she is with one of the top logistics firms. Either DHL, Bollore or Kuehne+Nagel. Madam @kysse, if you are there. Now is the time to guide the discourse on this forum with an insider view. Why on earth would the SGR lack cargo on the second day of operations ? @FRM2011. I am not @kysse,but we spoke then and no one would listen. When we raised the issues, the sycophants were on our case. Thing is, most of us importers based in Nairobi, we indicate on the Bill of Lading that our shipments' final destination is Mombasa. With that simple act, those shipments cannot be loaded on the SGR. Until that changes,only the big firms/orgs whose shipments may have their final destination as Nairobi will have their shipments loaded on SGR for Nairobi. Until we(small importers but the majority) know what's in for us, not so many will change shipping instructions on their BLs, for reasons we raised when SGR passenger was launched. Why would I pay more and have to wait for longer?
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