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SGR Progress thus far
FRM2011
#1011 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 1:03:35 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.
Mukiri
#1012 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:43:32 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.

Which begs the question, do we now have 2 trains ferrying people and goods? Old and SGR? Or has the old one become obsolete?

Proverbs 19:21
harrydre
#1013 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 4:17:20 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/10/2008
Posts: 9,131
Location: Kanjo
FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.


How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.
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Angelica _ann
#1014 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:16:41 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,936
harrydre wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.


How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.


2-3k, the 1k variance alone looks too big for accurate analysis. The 8 trains is both ways so 4/4. Going to Mombasa, is there enough cargo?
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Intelligentsia
#1015 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:47:20 PM
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Joined: 10/1/2009
Posts: 2,436
More importantly is the number/frequency and volume of cargo going TO Msa i.e EXPORTS, not so much what the trains bound for the hinterland will be carrying (IMPORTS).

Unfortunately given our current account deficit, with imports outstripping exports, we will be losing. In simple terms, look at each inbound train consignment as an outflow of our scarce foreign exchange and outgoing as much-needed inflows of FX.
harrydre
#1016 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:50:58 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/10/2008
Posts: 9,131
Location: Kanjo
Angelica _ann wrote:
harrydre wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.


How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.


2-3k, the 1k variance alone looks too big for accurate analysis. The 8 trains is both ways so 4/4. Going to Mombasa, is there enough cargo?


It's unfortunate FRM & Co. don't see the benefit of rail. how much has been saved in road repair damage, air pollution, time & money (congestion reduced), road carnage (trucks collision always results to close to 100% deaths) etc etc...I could go on forever!
i.am.back!!!!
FRM2011
#1017 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 6:59:58 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
harrydre wrote:

How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.


Boss, elections ended. I suspect you saw my name and the topic and you went straight into defensive mode.

My observation was simply about Uhuru's remark that a single train could replace the trucks. That was factually incorrect. I am sure we agree on this.

Now, did the president make a mistake ? I don't think so. He has some of the sharpest minds advising him. Was it a typo ? Absolutely not. I suspect it was very crafty political messaging. You know that SGR has delivered what he said it would deliver. 90% of Kenyans cannot grasp those numbers. The reactions to his tweet were adequate proof.

On the numbers, KPA is about 1.2 million TEUs annually. Our friend @mkimwa is a veteran of long distance trucking. He explained with figures why SGR cannot take over business from the trucks. In case you missed it, even with the current subsidized SGR rates, trucks are still 30% cheaper. And they deliver to the doorstep.

However, some types of cargo will move to SGR automatically. Think steel, iron, printing papers e.t.c. Mainly heavy stuff that exceed the 28T maximum load per container.
murchr
#1018 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:17:47 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980


Those who were wondering where the route takes a turn.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest!
#1019 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:32:34 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,069
Location: Kianjokoma
murchr wrote:


Those who were wondering where the route takes a turn.

Wait, this seems to be a confirmation of what @paper chaser was telling us on another thread!
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murchr
#1020 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:39:12 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Lolest! wrote:
murchr wrote:


Those who were wondering where the route takes a turn.

Wait, this seems to be a confirmation of what @paper chaser was telling us on another thread!


He was right
Suswa






"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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