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SGR Progress thus far
tinker
#1001 Posted : Friday, December 22, 2017 12:54:05 PM
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How come the contractor is already working at MaiMahiu, when we were told the final route across NNP has not been decided?. I have not seen any work along Magadi road or Ngong Rd.
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hardwood
#1002 Posted : Friday, December 22, 2017 1:41:53 PM
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tinker wrote:
How come the contractor is already working at MaiMahiu, when we were told the final route across NNP has not been decided?. I have not seen any work along Magadi road or Ngong Rd.


The sections being worked on do not have to be continuous/adjoining. They can join the sections later. Also they will finally find a way through NNP.
UpcomingPaperChaser
#1003 Posted : Friday, December 22, 2017 5:55:07 PM
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Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently.
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#1004 Posted : Friday, December 22, 2017 6:08:26 PM
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Looks like the NNP issue is now resolved

https://www.the-star.co....0-acres-for-sgr_c1689105
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obiero
#1005 Posted : Friday, December 22, 2017 11:55:43 PM
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:
Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently.

I saw some massive work site at Suswa. GoK is really intent on finishing this thing. Whether it will help us, remains to be seen

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UpcomingPaperChaser
#1006 Posted : Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:05:01 AM
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obiero wrote:
UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:
Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently.

I saw some massive work site at Suswa. GoK is really intent on finishing this thing. Whether it will help us, remains to be seen

Indeed Uhuru wants this thing complete before it 2022...thats the entire. The delay has actually been brought about by delays by NLC and Kenya Railways in Gazetting and Compensating the PAPs.....
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obiero
#1007 Posted : Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:40:07 AM
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:
obiero wrote:
UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:
Was involved in this project sometime back.
1. The route had already been decided on...the only challenge that existed was Maxwell along Magadi Road..... it was re-aligned.
2. Work is ongoing in Tuala, Rangau, Kandisi, Tunnel, Mai Mahiu
3. Its different companies tasked with different sections, so every team sorts its matters independently.

I saw some massive work site at Suswa. GoK is really intent on finishing this thing. Whether it will help us, remains to be seen

Indeed Uhuru wants this thing complete before it 2022...thats the entire. The delay has actually been brought about by delays by NLC and Kenya Railways in Gazetting and Compensating the PAPs.....

That route via Narok, Bomet, Sotik, Kericho, Kisumu is more economically viable than Nakuru, Salgaa, Eldoret, Kisumu

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tinker
#1008 Posted : Friday, December 29, 2017 7:36:56 PM
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Are there plans to connected Nairobi [SGR] station to JKIA?.

I have been to Casablanca-Morocco and the train from Airport to Casa port is the preferred mode of transport. http://www.oncf.ma
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FRM2011
#1009 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 9:31:42 AM
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Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.
washiku
#1010 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 9:58:04 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?
FRM2011
#1011 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 1:03:35 PM
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washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.
Mukiri
#1012 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:43:32 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.

Which begs the question, do we now have 2 trains ferrying people and goods? Old and SGR? Or has the old one become obsolete?

Proverbs 19:21
harrydre
#1013 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 4:17:20 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.


How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.
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Angelica _ann
#1014 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:16:41 PM
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harrydre wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.


How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.


2-3k, the 1k variance alone looks too big for accurate analysis. The 8 trains is both ways so 4/4. Going to Mombasa, is there enough cargo?
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#1015 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:47:20 PM
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More importantly is the number/frequency and volume of cargo going TO Msa i.e EXPORTS, not so much what the trains bound for the hinterland will be carrying (IMPORTS).

Unfortunately given our current account deficit, with imports outstripping exports, we will be losing. In simple terms, look at each inbound train consignment as an outflow of our scarce foreign exchange and outgoing as much-needed inflows of FX.
harrydre
#1016 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 5:50:58 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
harrydre wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
washiku wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Mombasa- Nairobi cargo train made its maiden trip yesterday. It had 104 containers.

The president tweeted that the single train was carrying equivalent of what trucks carry in a day.

Thousands of reactions later, not a single person could notice the claim by the president was grossly inaccurate. Trucks ferry between 2000-3000 containers daily.

Tis amazingly easy to confuse people with numbers.


What do you mean not a single person yet you noticed?


It caught my eye right away. I have learnt to treat official figures with a pinch of salt. But I admire the political class for their audacity to regularly throw figures and get away with it. Remember sonko claiming to be collecting 4 times what Kidero was collecting ? Turned out he is actually collecting less.

If you follow the president on twitter, you will know there are two groups who can never agree on anything.

On this tweet, Uhuru supporters were ecstatic that finally the trucks are off Mombasa road. His opponents are arguing there will be job losses.

The truth is that the impact will be minimal. BTW the old railway has always ferried more than the 104 ferried by SGR yesterday.


How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.


2-3k, the 1k variance alone looks too big for accurate analysis. The 8 trains is both ways so 4/4. Going to Mombasa, is there enough cargo?


It's unfortunate FRM & Co. don't see the benefit of rail. how much has been saved in road repair damage, air pollution, time & money (congestion reduced), road carnage (trucks collision always results to close to 100% deaths) etc etc...I could go on forever!
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FRM2011
#1017 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 6:59:58 PM
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harrydre wrote:

How long does it take to load the trucks and for them to reach Nairobi? The guy said they can load up to 8 trains a day. Also remember a container in a train will be able to carry more weight than on the truck. Your numbers look exaggerated, weka link to support the claim.


Boss, elections ended. I suspect you saw my name and the topic and you went straight into defensive mode.

My observation was simply about Uhuru's remark that a single train could replace the trucks. That was factually incorrect. I am sure we agree on this.

Now, did the president make a mistake ? I don't think so. He has some of the sharpest minds advising him. Was it a typo ? Absolutely not. I suspect it was very crafty political messaging. You know that SGR has delivered what he said it would deliver. 90% of Kenyans cannot grasp those numbers. The reactions to his tweet were adequate proof.

On the numbers, KPA is about 1.2 million TEUs annually. Our friend @mkimwa is a veteran of long distance trucking. He explained with figures why SGR cannot take over business from the trucks. In case you missed it, even with the current subsidized SGR rates, trucks are still 30% cheaper. And they deliver to the doorstep.

However, some types of cargo will move to SGR automatically. Think steel, iron, printing papers e.t.c. Mainly heavy stuff that exceed the 28T maximum load per container.
murchr
#1018 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:17:47 PM
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Those who were wondering where the route takes a turn.
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Lolest!
#1019 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:32:34 PM
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murchr wrote:


Those who were wondering where the route takes a turn.

Wait, this seems to be a confirmation of what @paper chaser was telling us on another thread!
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#1020 Posted : Tuesday, January 02, 2018 7:39:12 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
murchr wrote:


Those who were wondering where the route takes a turn.

Wait, this seems to be a confirmation of what @paper chaser was telling us on another thread!


He was right
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