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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:Alma - What happened to stopping when stopped by authorities? Anyone running from authorities should be chased to the end Murchr, all things being equal, people behave rationally. When you are asked to stop, you stop. It's like when a woman tells you to stop touching her boobs, then you stop. There are others who think it's sexy not to stop. So we have rape clauses for them. Human beings don't behave rationally. That is why we need cops and NTSA officials thinking. I doubt if they think anymore. There are madmen on these highways. The first thing that NTSA and any policeman has to consider is the safety of the innocents. That is why Murchr in other civilised countries. Where a police car has got more power than a mercedes benz, they don't just chase for the heck of it. They follow you mpaka you have no more gas in your car. You are then charged for the original offence, plus given a civil ticket for their mafuta. Sorry Murchr, gov't officials no longer think about the poor souls, 32 of them who were just travelling home. They think, ohhhh, huyu mjinga hawezi hii gari yangu ya green. Nitamuonyesha serekali ni nani. In civilized societies, those NTSA officials would be in the same court room as the driver of the truck. So these stupid NTSA fellas were flying and chasing a 20 ton truck just to show they have bigger balls. Through their stupidity 32 people have died. 32 families will never meet their family member again. The cost in numbers is unimaginable. 50k coffins vs a radio call that's free is a loss loss proposition. If you gov't guys don't start going for training in other countries and learn about win loss sitauations, therein lies our problem. If I was the head of NTSA, I would resign now. But we know their press release. The driver was escaping police and police gave chase. By accident, the driver killed people. It was a stray bullet that yada yada yada. Tell that to the families today. And if your work Murchr is chasing people, then get another job. Your job as a policeman is to safeguard the safety of innocents. Not to arrest people. There is a difference in the two. If you have a D-, it is a bit hard to comprehend. Sad. @alma is talking alot of sense. I wonder why someone who is supposed intelligent like @muchiri cannot see the point! Am sorry I cannot see nonsense "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:When a cop stops you, stop. 50 bob is not worth anybody's life. That said that Sachangwan section of the road, needs redesigning. Murchr, redesign what? Roads are not the issue. It is the people. The people using the road and the people who implement the laws. You can build 300 lanes. I know that road, it used to be a one lane road. It was made a 2 lane road even with slow lanes. It is still the same. The only common denominator is that if you carry nyanyas from here to there, you shall meet a blue man who asks you for 50 bob. Now we have green people asking for 1k. You shall die on that road. Make it shorter, wider, longer even have caroline mutoko as a road sign. Corruption is killing Kenyans. It is that simple. Mpende, msipenda. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:When a cop stops you, stop. 50 bob is not worth anybody's life. That said that Sachangwan section of the road, needs redesigning. Murchr, redesign what? Roads are not the issue. It is the people. The people using the road and the people who implement the laws. You can build 300 lanes. I know that road, it used to be a one lane road. It was made a 2 lane road even with slow lanes. It is still the same. The only common denominator is that if you carry nyanyas from here to there, you shall meet a blue man who asks you for 50 bob. Now we have green people asking for 1k. You shall die on that road. Make it shorter, wider, longer even have caroline mutoko as a road sign. Corruption is killing Kenyans. It is that simple. Mpende, msipenda. Una sema umepitia hapo Salgaa? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:Alma - What happened to stopping when stopped by authorities? Anyone running from authorities should be chased to the end Murchr, all things being equal, people behave rationally. When you are asked to stop, you stop. It's like when a woman tells you to stop touching her boobs, then you stop. There are others who think it's sexy not to stop. So we have rape clauses for them. Human beings don't behave rationally. That is why we need cops and NTSA officials thinking. I doubt if they think anymore. There are madmen on these highways. The first thing that NTSA and any policeman has to consider is the safety of the innocents. That is why Murchr in other civilised countries. Where a police car has got more power than a mercedes benz, they don't just chase for the heck of it. They follow you mpaka you have no more gas in your car. You are then charged for the original offence, plus given a civil ticket for their mafuta. Sorry Murchr, gov't officials no longer think about the poor souls, 32 of them who were just travelling home. They think, ohhhh, huyu mjinga hawezi hii gari yangu ya green. Nitamuonyesha serekali ni nani. In civilized societies, those NTSA officials would be in the same court room as the driver of the truck. So these stupid NTSA fellas were flying and chasing a 20 ton truck just to show they have bigger balls. Through their stupidity 32 people have died. 32 families will never meet their family member again. The cost in numbers is unimaginable. 50k coffins vs a radio call that's free is a loss loss proposition. If you gov't guys don't start going for training in other countries and learn about win loss sitauations, therein lies our problem. If I was the head of NTSA, I would resign now. But we know their press release. The driver was escaping police and police gave chase. By accident, the driver killed people. It was a stray bullet that yada yada yada. Tell that to the families today. And if your work Murchr is chasing people, then get another job. Your job as a policeman is to safeguard the safety of innocents. Not to arrest people. There is a difference in the two. If you have a D-, it is a bit hard to comprehend. Sad. @alma is talking alot of sense. I wonder why someone who is supposed intelligent like @muchiri cannot see the point! I have seen cops taking 50 bob every morning from matatus. Yaani I'm so confident I want to see the Chief cop taking me to court to arrest me for saying that. Yaani I want to see that one. I have seen cops being paid to leave an overloaded car. It's not even the cop's fault. I mean. When you create laws for sijui overlapping 30k then you pay the cop 20k, what the f*** do you expect? I support that cops should be paid 100k minimum. But Murchr and co believe human beings are either in Jubilee or Nasa. You guys in gov't are killing Kenyans. Every day. Each and every day. You are now so hungry for blood you were not satisfied with Governors. Can you just get people on those roads who are serious about their work. And please pay them well. Not buying cars of 2 million then you pay and asshole 30k a month. That fella caused the death of 30 people leo. It is what it is. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Nimeshoka!!!! Serkal. Nimeshoka!!! Pay cops well, very well. Let them do their jobs. Otherwise, hii ni pata potea and RIP. Like RIP gives you your family back. f*** it! Where's my viceroy? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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The fallacy that higher pay results to less corruption is wrong. I have not seen a study to that effect yet. Cops allover the world are paid less than the average mwanainchi and yet in many countries cops are not as corrupt as in kenya. First Thing first. Stop and search has to be made illegal in kenya. This is what encourages corruption in kenya. Secondly, they need to assured of a good Pension when they retire, this will reduce their tamaa because their future is well taken care of. Thirdly, the gvt should give them very low interest rate loan for mortgages, this will cater for their housing. Just an ncrease of basic salary, that will have no Impact on their behaviour
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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murchr wrote:When a cop stops you, stop. 50 bob is not worth anybody's life. That said that Sachangwan section of the road, needs redesigning. True dat If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:When a cop stops you, stop. 50 bob is not worth anybody's life. That said that Sachangwan section of the road, needs redesigning. Murchr, redesign what? Roads are not the issue. It is the people. The people using the road and the people who implement the laws. You can build 300 lanes. I know that road, it used to be a one lane road. It was made a 2 lane road even with slow lanes. It is still the same. The only common denominator is that if you carry nyanyas from here to there, you shall meet a blue man who asks you for 50 bob. Now we have green people asking for 1k. You shall die on that road. Make it shorter, wider, longer even have caroline mutoko as a road sign. Corruption is killing Kenyans. It is that simple. Mpende, msipenda. That section has design issues If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Fullykenyan wrote:The fallacy that higher pay results to less corruption is wrong. I have not seen a study to that effect yet. Cops allover the world are paid less than the average mwanainchi and yet in many countries cops are not as corrupt as in kenya. First Thing first. Stop and search has to be made illegal in kenya. This is what encourages corruption in kenya. Secondly, they need to assured of a good Pension when they retire, this will reduce their tamaa because their future is well taken care of. Thirdly, the gvt should give them very low interest rate loan for mortgages, this will cater for their housing. Just an ncrease of basic salary, that will have no Impact on their behaviour It's about our morals and values. If pay was an excuse we would not be talking of Goldernberg,NYS, forensic lab, maize scandals etc If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Swenani wrote:Fullykenyan wrote:The fallacy that higher pay results to less corruption is wrong. I have not seen a study to that effect yet. Cops allover the world are paid less than the average mwanainchi and yet in many countries cops are not as corrupt as in kenya. First Thing first. Stop and search has to be made illegal in kenya. This is what encourages corruption in kenya. Secondly, they need to assured of a good Pension when they retire, this will reduce their tamaa because their future is well taken care of. Thirdly, the gvt should give them very low interest rate loan for mortgages, this will cater for their housing. Just an ncrease of basic salary, that will have no Impact on their behaviour It's about our morals and values. If pay was an excuse we would not be talking of Goldernberg,NYS, forensic lab, maize scandals etc On point
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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Seems my suggestions to divert North Rift bound vehicles to Kabaraka and West Rift/Nyanza bound vehicles to Njoro will be implemented going forward. Of course i find Kenha's suggestion to put more bumps on this stretch a bad idea. They seem to miss the fact that congestion along the stretch for drivers who have many more kilometers to cover causes anxiety and hence everyone is in a hurry. In my view, the problem starts 20-30 kilometres either side of Nakuru town. Ultimately, a by-pass is must.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Njunge wrote:Seems my suggestions to divert North Rift bound vehicles to Kabaraka and West Rift/Nyanza bound vehicles to Njoro will be implemented going forward. Of course i find Kenha's suggestion to put more bumps on this stretch a bad idea. They seem to miss the fact that congestion along the stretch for drivers who have many more kilometers to cover causes anxiety and hence everyone is in a hurry. In my view, the problem starts 20-30 kilometres either side of Nakuru town. Ultimately, a by-pass is must. I agree with you: anxiety & frustration motivates law breaking. Anything that will cause further delay of backlog and snarl up will increase anxiety and hence temptation to overlap of speed up...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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Njunge wrote:Seems my suggestions to divert North Rift bound vehicles to Kabaraka and West Rift/Nyanza bound vehicles to Njoro will be implemented going forward. Of course i find Kenha's suggestion to put more bumps on this stretch a bad idea. They seem to miss the fact that congestion along the stretch for drivers who have many more kilometers to cover causes anxiety and hence everyone is in a hurry. In my view, the problem starts 20-30 kilometres either side of Nakuru town. Ultimately, a by-pass is must. This will go a long way in reducing the accidents.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Sad...subari at it again  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/9/2012 Posts: 144
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alma1 wrote:Nimeshoka!!!!
Serkal. Nimeshoka!!!
Pay cops well, very well. Let them do their jobs.
Otherwise, hii ni pata potea and RIP. Like RIP gives you your family back. f*** it!
Where's my viceroy? Mbona unalike hii ndawa aka brandy???? U bid to take real whiskey to numb ur anger....real peat whiskey si Hilo ya makaa  I found meaningful work🤓
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2016 Posts: 225
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Anguish.Agony. Why can't they temporarily make that highway one way during this festive seasons? Nakuru bound vehicles can use Kabarak Road Reflection Eternal
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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34 dead in one accident near salgaa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The biggest danger on kenyan roads is driver MADNESS. When will it stop? http://www.nation.co.ke/...6712-e2r2yiz/index.html
Quote:Confirming the incident, Rift Valley Traffic Enforcement Officer Zero Arome said the speeding bus which was travelling from Busia was being driven on the wrong lane when it collided with the truck head on killing 34.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Yes people are dying coz of driver MADNESS. You overtake carelessly expecting to "kupenya", or incoming vehicle to stop or go off the road asikugonge.  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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hardwood wrote:34 dead in one accident near salgaa. Jubilee In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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