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Gathige
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:08:38 AM
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innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.



True. That's how he became Njamba. There are clips on him online either in Kikuyu/Wangige that brought out his element. Luck too was on his side being a Kenyatta.
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Buster
#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:47:14 PM
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innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.


He he he. No Moi introduction no Uhuru. That's a fact. Then no Ruto no Uhuru. Uhuru was made president by these 2 guys. It's that simple.
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Angelica _ann
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 6:49:25 PM
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Buster wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.


He he he. No Moi introduction no Uhuru. That's a fact. Then no Ruto no Uhuru. Uhuru was made president by these 2 guys. It's that simple.


I can see guys are joking with Ruto hapa wazua, our next President unless .......
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gk
#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:08:48 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Buster wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.


He he he. No Moi introduction no Uhuru. That's a fact. Then no Ruto no Uhuru. Uhuru was made president by these 2 guys. It's that simple.


I can see guys are joking with Ruto hapa wazua, our next President unless .......


Methinks RAO made Uhuru president but Ruto was needed to consolidate and affirm the vote. If RAO had supported MK in '08 and not antagonised Mlima people, he would have succeeded MK.
I agree with the sentiment that UK and therefore Mlima (to a large extent) will not abandon Ruto with or without RAO. The only people who stood in his way were Kalonzo and Madvd who are about to finish their own political obituaries. ....but 5 yrs is a long time in siasa.
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hardwood
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:19:18 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Buster wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.


He he he. No Moi introduction no Uhuru. That's a fact. Then no Ruto no Uhuru. Uhuru was made president by these 2 guys. It's that simple.


I can see guys are joking with Ruto hapa wazua, our next President unless .......


In 2022 there will be only 3 names on the ballot. Looto, Baba and Dida. And okuyos will choose looto, because he was Ohuru's fiercest supporter and campaigner, rather than baba. Baba would be president today if he never fought kifaki. Looto learnt from babas mistake and played safe and thus will be your next president.
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hardwood
#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:23:00 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Buster wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.


He he he. No Moi introduction no Uhuru. That's a fact. Then no Ruto no Uhuru. Uhuru was made president by these 2 guys. It's that simple.


I can see guys are joking with Ruto hapa wazua, our next President unless .......


In 2022 there will be only 3 names on the ballot. Looto, Baba and Dida. And okuyos will choose looto, because he was Ohuru's fiercest supporter and campaigner, rather than baba. Baba would be president today if he never fought kifaki. Looto learnt from babas mistake and played safe and thus will be your next president.


And the good thing for looto is that Ohuru will be his chief campaigner. All looto will need is an okuyo running mate and he will be safely in the house on the hill.
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innairobi
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:34:01 PM
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Buster wrote:
innairobi wrote:
Gideon Moi is no Uhuru Kenyatta. he cant win even if uhuru backs him.

uhuru was not made president by moi as has become a common saying nowadays. moi only introduced him to politics. uhuru became president because of backing kibaki and his perceived role as a savior of his people in the pev. that's how mount kenya moved solidly behind him and gave him a powerful negotiating position nationally.

gideon doesnt have the kalenjin behind him and there's no sign there'll be a massive national crisis that will enable him pry them away from ruto. the uhuru presidency was a result of several circumstances coming together. it was a stroke of good luck. lightning will not strike twice.


He he he. No Moi introduction no Uhuru. That's a fact. Then no Ruto no Uhuru. Uhuru was made president by these 2 guys. It's that simple.


kama nilivyosema, several circumstances came together but the number one is uhuru getting the backing of mount kenya. it is what made uhuru a person worth being talked to. otherwise ruto the hustler would have looked for saitoti or karua for talks if that is who the mountain was behind. realpolitik.

uhuru failed spectacularly in 2002 with the backing of moi and ruto. mount kenya vote block made him attractive to politicians like mudavadi, kalonzo and ruto in 2012/2013. the icc cases were a stroke of lucky glue and ruto-uhuru camaraderie a plus.

for the same reason the backing of the kalenjin is the number one reason that william ruto is DP today. without them he'd be another random rift valley politician like gideon moi. of course ruto took a very risky but strategic gamble to back another kikuyu as president and its looking like it will pay off in 2022. but as a pragmatist, he had to do it because the mount kenya voter block is twice as large as the kalenjin and has been the largest monolithic block in the country. if they back him, he has a huge headstart.

raila is who he is first because of the luo vote, kalonzo because of the kamba vote. joho is trying the same in coast and mudavadi in western. hivyo ndiyo siasa ya kenya inapangwa at the moment.
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aemathenge
#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:47:33 PM
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Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.
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kiash
#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:06:18 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.


Is your friend Vladimir or Dimitri Laughing out loudly
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hardwood
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:06:23 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.

Nope, can't happen. Ohuru wants all these manenos to be over so that he can go back to "normal life", as an ordinary citizen.
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hardwood
#26 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:10:28 PM
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hardwood wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.

Nope, can't happen. Ohuru wants all these manenos to be over so that he can go back to "normal life", as an ordinary citizen.

To sell milk and kunywa Jameson without lots of noise aka manenos.
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Angelica _ann
#27 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:10:31 PM
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hardwood wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.

Nope, can't happen. Ohuru wants all these manenos to be over so that he can go back to "normal life", as an ordinary citizen.


Normal life of walking with friends like Johnnie smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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hardwood
#28 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:13:19 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.

Only an idiot would settle for deputy president after being president.
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Angelica _ann
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:19:01 PM
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hardwood wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.

Only an idiot would settle for deputy president after being president.


Yawa you don't enjoy sarcasm!!! Relax though Israel has had some crazy stuff at that level smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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kaka2za
#30 Posted : Wednesday, November 29, 2017 8:23:04 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
Is there any Constitutional impediments against Bill Ruto naming Uhuru Kenyatta as his running mate?

Asking for a friend.

Only an idiot would settle for deputy president after being president.


Yawa you don't enjoy sarcasm!!! Relax though Israel has had some crazy stuff at that level smile


Prime Minister and Presidency exchange is possible but no sane president can go for lower elective position.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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