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Soko tele
#31 Posted: : Friday, May 28, 2010 1:32:40 PM
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muganda wrote:
@sky5, majority of Kenyans lean towards Christianity. It affects our thinking, beliefs, our being... And so it finds itself into the constitution.

So it was slightly amusing to see the panel yesterday argue they don't want Islam because we are secular; and on the other hand argue 'life begins at conception' clause is not a inherently Christian demand.

Also debators could not agree if Muslims are a 'minority'...
Kenya: 88%Christian 10%Islam 2%Other
(wikipedia)


Can faith(which is can change at will) define if a group is a minority or not? ..........i can be a christian today and tomorrow a muslim.
My take is that minority can be either on gender, enthnic or region because these are permernent feautures....
B.Timer
#32 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 1:43:50 PM
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muganda wrote:
@sky5, majority of Kenyans lean towards Christianity. It affects our thinking, beliefs, our being... And so it finds itself into the constitution.

So it was slightly amusing to see the panel yesterday argue they don't want Islam because we are secular; and on the other hand argue 'life begins at conception' clause is not a inherently Christian demand.

Also debators could not agree if Muslims are a 'minority'...
Kenya: 88%Christian 10%Islam 2%Other
(wikipedia)


Muslims stand to loose nothing if the Kadhis courts are not in the constitution, as long as nobody will stop them from proceeding with their practice.

Regardless of what arguments the panelist put forward, it is important that we seperate state and religion, as well as treat all religions equaly.
There are many other minorities - Hindu, Boharas, Traditionalists, Atheists etc.

In the supermarkets we see Halal signs, in the Abbatrois Muslims are the ones supposed to slaughter, and now we have Islamic banking.
How come none of the other religions have these demands.


Dunia ni msongamano..
muganda
#33 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:02:51 PM
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@Soko tele, try being a Christian in Saudi Arabia, you are a definite minority and you don't want to change.

Article 21. All State organs and all public officers have the duty to address the needs of vulnerable groups within society, including women, older members of society, persons with disabilities, children, youth, members of minority or marginalised communities, and members of particular ethnic, religious or cultural communities.


@B.Timer, Mr.Ongote on the show said it well - it's not the What but the How. We are currently negotiating Nile Treaty with Egypt (outsiders) in a process; same thing was done at Independence even when we were right.

Remember, not the What but the How. The judges ruling could have been factually correct yet go against basic tenets of natural justice:
--decision maker declares any personal interest in the proceedings;
--unbiased and act in good faith;
--justice should be seen to be done

nanfor1
#34 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:08:03 PM
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So now B.Timer wants to slaughter muslims chickens and the meat to be "blessed"......Pray Shame on you
Hata wakizima taa
B.Timer
#35 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:26:40 PM
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nanfor1 wrote:
So now B.Timer wants to slaughter muslims chickens and the meat to be "blessed"......Pray Shame on you



Slow on this obsession of taking the war to the Christians.

Nobody should demand to slaughter all and any animal meant for the public - not a Christian, not a Muslim not myself.

Dead wrong on the assumption that I am a christian!
Dunia ni msongamano..
sky5
#36 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:28:32 PM
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August 4th is not too far. Each one of us is entitled to vote either 'GREEN/YES' or 'RED/NO'. So let us mature and avoid acrimony at all costs.

The referendum campaigns have already divided Kenyans along several 'fault lines' which are not healthy for the country. We seem to be heading back to the pre-2005 polarisation and no one seems to care to listen.

Whether YES wins or NO wins, the polarisation will roll over to 2012 GE. That is why all efforts should have been made to get a win-win scenario before referendum date. I don't believe the process is gone too far and can't be halted and the issues addressed.

If a fault plane takes off from the runway and the pilot alerted in good time, he may stop the plane, have it repaired and back on the runway or he may continue and end in a crash.
nanfor1
#37 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:36:19 PM
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True True sky5

In the same spirit, can u ask that Kariuki guy to stop telling my grandmother that muslims are planning to massacre all christians because of the abuja convention.

When a pastor becomes a liar, should he:

1. confess and go to heaven
2. watch the country burn and go to heaven.
Hata wakizima taa
B.Timer
#38 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:41:06 PM
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sky5 wrote:
August 4th is not too far. Each one of us is entitled to vote either 'GREEN/YES' or 'RED/NO'. So let us mature and avoid acrimony at all costs.

The referendum campaigns have already divided Kenyans along several 'fault lines' which are not healthy for the country. We seem to be heading back to the pre-2005 polarisation and no one seems to care to listen.

Whether YES wins or NO wins, the polarisation will roll over to 2012 GE. That is why all efforts should have been made to get a win-win scenario before referendum date. I don't believe the process is gone too far and can't be halted and the issues addressed.

If a fault plane takes off from the runway and the pilot alerted in good time, he may stop the plane, have it repaired and back on the runway or he may continue and end in a crash.




Man you have a way of reading my mind. Not once or twice.

If the Kibakis had wanted to ensure that the run up to the referundum was undivisive they would have done it.
They handled this casualy now look, we are in a rut.
Dunia ni msongamano..
sky5
#39 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:41:35 PM
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@nanfor; I'm sure Kariuki is listening and pray he shall abide by your wishes.

But about the so called 'abuja declaration', has anyone ever openly denied it? If it is true, what does it portend?
nanfor1
#40 Posted : Friday, May 28, 2010 2:46:14 PM
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sky5

It portends that you need to read more and visit the world. Going to your pastor is not an education but an opportunity to be brainwashed.

but it's ok. We are a secular, democratic state. You have a right to be misinformed and swallow it hook, line and sinker.
Hata wakizima taa
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