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JOSHUA FOR 2022
Wakanyugi
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:13:20 PM
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thuks wrote:
harrydre wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
1997:RAO vs MOI
2007:RAO vs Kibaki
2013:RAO vs Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru - round 2.
2022: RAO vs Ruto
2027: RAO vs Ruto
2032: RAO vs Himself



Rutododo should easily floor babu in 2022

Rutua can more eaily climb the mountain


If I was a betting man I would put my money on Rutonko.

Sonko has a youth demographic voter base that others can only salivate at. And he is the kind of scrappy fighter that you want on your side, not the other.

As for Mountaineers, Ruto will not need their votes to win (many Gema will sit it out if there own is not on the ballot). He only needs to stop them being a factor in someone else's equation.

For this he can draw lessons from Rila's painful experience:

1. Don't spook your enemy

2. Bully tactics may work in the school yard but they are a bad idea in electoral competition.

3. Watch those you surround yourself with as they can really cost you
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
thuks
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 3:07:19 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
thuks wrote:
harrydre wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
1997:RAO vs MOI
2007:RAO vs Kibaki
2013:RAO vs Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru - round 2.
2022: RAO vs Ruto
2027: RAO vs Ruto
2032: RAO vs Himself



Rutododo should easily floor babu in 2022

Rutua can more eaily climb the mountain


If I was a betting man I would put my money on Rutonko.

Sonko has a youth demographic voter base that others can only salivate at. And he is the kind of scrappy fighter that you want on your side, not the other.

As for Mountaineers, Ruto will not need their votes to win (many Gema will sit it out if there own is not on the ballot). He only needs to stop them being a factor in someone else's equation.

For this he can draw lessons from Rila's painful experience:

1. Don't spook your enemy

2. Bully tactics may work in the school yard but they are a bad idea in electoral competition.

3. Watch those you surround yourself with as they can really cost you

True, but sonko will have 1 more term as 047 available while mutuas will have none. A stab by the latter may complicate jps maths
I care!
Kusadikika
#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 4:23:00 PM
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Ruto-Mutua vs Mudavadi-Kenneth

Ruto- Ichung'wa vs Kalonzo-Mudavadi

Ruto- Matiang'i vs Mudavadi-Gideon

Ruto - Waiguru vs Gideon - Mudavadi

Ruto - Kindiki vs Gideon - Martha Karua

Ruto - Mutahi Kagwe vs Kalonzo - Gideon

Ruto - Duale vs Gideon - Kiunjuri

5 years is a long time, anything is possible.
Kusadikika
#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 4:41:40 PM
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Baba will not give Ruto a headache. Ruto's biggest problem is Gideon. The Kalenjin are amongst the most democratic people as shown by how many MPs never come back for a second term. Gideon Moi was first humuliated in the Kericho senators by election. Losing is actually a very good thing in politics. It allows you to be insulted and ridiculed which helps someone like Gideon to lose the prince title and actually come back as an underdog.
hardwood
#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 5:41:09 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Ruto-Mutua vs Mudavadi-Kenneth

Ruto- Ichung'wa vs Kalonzo-Mudavadi

Ruto- Matiang'i vs Mudavadi-Gideon

Ruto - Waiguru vs Gideon - Mudavadi

Ruto - Kindiki vs Gideon - Martha Karua

Ruto - Mutahi Kagwe vs Kalonzo - Gideon

Ruto - Duale vs Gideon - Kiunjuri

5 years is a long time, anything is possible.


Ruto - Hardwood vs Baba - kalonzosmile
Wakanyugi
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 5:50:18 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Baba will not give Ruto a headache. Ruto's biggest problem is Gideon. The Kalenjin are amongst the most democratic people as shown by how many MPs never come back for a second term. Gideon Moi was first humuliated in the Kericho senators by election. Losing is actually a very good thing in politics. It allows you to be insulted and ridiculed which helps someone like Gideon to lose the prince title and actually come back as an underdog.


Very interesting point. Indeed losing can be the best to happen to one and Gideon, Uhuru, Kibaki, Wamalwa are good case studies. But it depends on what you do after the loss.

Somehow Rao has not benefited much from his loses, despite his star rising very high with his base.

Unfortunately his combative brand of politics and the people he attracts to himself tend to repel many voters and makes it easy for opponents to brand him at will. I was shocked to learn that Jubilee built a strategy to defeat him that was based on this one weakness - ego.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
kayhara
#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:02:14 PM
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hardwood wrote:
thuks wrote:
harrydre wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
1997:RAO vs MOI
2007:RAO vs Kibaki
2013:RAO vs Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru - round 2.
2022: RAO vs Ruto
2027: RAO vs Ruto
2032: RAO vs Himself



Rutododo should easily floor babu in 2022

Rutua can more eaily climb the mountain


The TNA/URP agreement still holds till 2032....50/50. Running mate must be mountaineer.

If a mountaineer he or sh should not be from kuyu, but the other GEMA communities problem is at the moment no mountaineer has brought his or her head out to replace Uhuru
To Each His Own
hardwood
#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:04:15 PM
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kayhara wrote:
hardwood wrote:
thuks wrote:
harrydre wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
1997:RAO vs MOI
2007:RAO vs Kibaki
2013:RAO vs Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru
2017:RAO VS Uhuru - round 2.
2022: RAO vs Ruto
2027: RAO vs Ruto
2032: RAO vs Himself



Rutododo should easily floor babu in 2022

Rutua can more eaily climb the mountain


The TNA/URP agreement still holds till 2032....50/50. Running mate must be mountaineer.

If a mountaineer he or sh should not be from kuyu, but the other GEMA communities problem is at the moment no mountaineer has brought his or her head out to replace Uhuru


Running mate should be from TNA wing of jubilee not necessarily from the mountain.
2012
#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:31:01 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Ruto-Mutua vs Mudavadi-Kenneth

Ruto- Ichung'wa vs Kalonzo-Mudavadi

Ruto- Matiang'i vs Mudavadi-Gideon

Ruto - Waiguru vs Gideon - Mudavadi

Ruto - Kindiki vs Gideon - Martha Karua

Ruto - Mutahi Kagwe vs Kalonzo - Gideon

Ruto - Duale vs Gideon - Kiunjuri

5 years is a long time, anything is possible.



Ruto - Kindiki vs Kalonzo - Raila

That's my prediction.

BBI will solve it
:)
Kusadikika
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:56:58 PM
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Another thing to watch out for is who comes in as Finance CS. Kibaki's biggest signal that UK was the chosen one was his appointment as Minister of Finance. It is the one position in Government that gives someone an overview of how Government works.

One move that could shake the current status quo would be an appointment of Gideon Moi to be CS Finance. Ruto anaweza lia machozi. Uhuru is close to Ruto but he is even closer to Mzee Moi so if mzee makes a humble request vitu vinawezachenjanga very fast. Mudavadi and Uhuru are also very close. In a room with Ruto, Uhuru, Gideon and Mudavadi, Ruto is the odd one out.

Gideon has a bargaining chip in that Kanu has supported Jubilee but has not had any position in Government. He can just make a request for only one cabinet position. Moja tu and if that position is Finance he takes it himself.
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