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What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already
The bill became law on 27th October....it can't be apply retrospectively.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it.
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Much Know wrote:If the swearing in falls on Saturday according to naswa calculations, will they force Maraga to go swear in, he will sign the papers on Friday and send mwilu to show some funny objects to the crowd, watu wengine, kila kitu ni shida na makelele na problems, complaints e.t.c, sasa mambo na swearing in, swearing in can be any place any time, Queen Elizabeth of England was "sworn in" up a tree in Nyeri. 2) The President-elect shall be sworn in on the first Tuesday following-- "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments?  If the amendments say otherwise they are unconstitutional and therefore null and void to the extent of the inconsistency. Hiyo you don't even need to be a lawyer to understand..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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quicksand wrote:harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments? If the amendments say otherwise they are unconstitutional and therefore null and void to the extent of the inconsistency. Hiyo you don't even need to be a lawyer to understand.. So regardless of the amendments the Constitution is still supreme. Naona NASA MPs wakikula Mpesa hapa mbele to amend the Constitution for my fren  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments?
I have read it... I think you are displaying your ignorance now...lol ... there was nothing in the elections bill amendments about swearing in of the president.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments?
I have read it... I think you are displaying your ignorance now...lol ... there was nothing in the elections bill amendments about swearing in of the president. Maybe it was removed. The draft I had seen had it included to take maraga. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments?
I have read it... I think you are displaying your ignorance now...lol ... there was nothing in the elections bill amendments about swearing in of the president. Maybe it was removed. The draft I had seen had it included. Initially there was, that any judge of the supreme court could do it ....... As in swear in the PORK elect! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Much Know wrote:In 2013, the us CJ made an official private swearing in of Obama, followed by a symbolic public for the wanjikus, if you know about BILLS, kama umesoma about bills, you may understand why a swearing in can be facilitated asap and the one of Uhuru park, later, the official one is the most important, and if Uhuru, Justin Muturi na Maraga wakiweka kidole, hii bill inapita na pesa inatoka, that is the REAL swearing in jinga wewe!Uhuru can be sworn in SECRET na hukauna kitu utafanya, wewe unasign hizo docs wapi ama nikuona video na drama tu kama mjinga, kumbaff wewe. For your information when the three ascent to a common bill, weka katiba kando!
This is misreading. Obama missed a word in his earlier public swearing in... which was noted later after the event.
He was sworn in privately to repeat and ensure he said all the words as legally required. In Kenya the swearing of the president is described clearly in the constitution. It has to be done in a public place and during the day.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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quicksand wrote:Lolest! wrote:hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:
138 (2) If two or more candidates for President are nominated, an
election shall be held in each constituency.
Clear as day, absolutely no wiggle room.
It is annoying because the opposition has instigated this, but I am not seeing a way around it. The politicos need to
find a way of having elections in those 25 constituencies one way or another or a legal crisis will ensue
IEBC and JP are relying on subsidiary legislation to counter this. They would perhaps argue in court that the Act was to bring clarity NASA on the other hand will argue that the section of the Act that says you can declare results without all constituencies is void! For how long should the country have waited till it was practical for IEBC to hold repeat elections in kavirondo? 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 1 decade...while baba and the local leaders there have stated that no repeat elections will ever be held there? The country has to move on. Choices have consequences. Also the decision by IEBC to announce winner means that nyanza votes dont matter in kenya's politics since they are insignificant. That's not what it means. It means if you stop the elections body from conducting the elections, they will go ahead and tally results from the rest of Kenya. The legality of IEBC's decision will head to court nonetheless. The problem with the law is you can make 2 opposing arguments and they both sound very sensible. Ridiculous. My money however, is on conservative Maraga throwing this poll out. The SC must also take into account the following clause in the constitution
Article 81:
General principles for the electoral system
The electoral system shall comply with the following principles—
(e)free and fair elections, which are—
(i) by secret ballot;
(ii) free from violence, intimidation, improper influence or corruption;
(iii) conducted by an independent body;
(iv) transparent; and
(v) administered in an impartial, neutral, efficient, accurate and accountable manner
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Liv wrote:Much Know wrote:In 2013, the us CJ made an official private swearing in of Obama, followed by a symbolic public for the wanjikus, if you know about BILLS, kama umesoma about bills, you may understand why a swearing in can be facilitated asap and the one of Uhuru park, later, the official one is the most important, and if Uhuru, Justin Muturi na Maraga wakiweka kidole, hii bill inapita na pesa inatoka, that is the REAL swearing in jinga wewe!Uhuru can be sworn in SECRET na hukauna kitu utafanya, wewe unasign hizo docs wapi ama nikuona video na drama tu kama mjinga, kumbaff wewe. For your information when the three ascent to a common bill, weka katiba kando!
This is misreading. Obama missed a word in his earlier public swearing in... which was noted later after the event.
He was sworn in privately to repeat and ensure he said all the words as legally required. In Kenya the swearing of the president is described clearly in the constitution. It has to be done in a public place and during the day.
He reversed the sequence which happened first, public & private. I just laughed and decided to let it pass. Make google not goggles your friend In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Angelica _ann wrote:harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:Liv wrote:harrydre wrote:radio wrote:essyk wrote:What's the reason behind the president's refusal to sign the election ammendment Bill and what are the implications if nasa goes to the supreme court.
Bill is law already The bill amendments will be applicable to any future election(s)...now even any judge can swear in Ouru!
The president can only be sworn in by the chief justice or the DCJ in the absence of the CJ. That's the constitution. No other judge can do it. Have you read the amendments?
I have read it... I think you are displaying your ignorance now...lol ... there was nothing in the elections bill amendments about swearing in of the president. Maybe it was removed. The draft I had seen had it included. Initially there was, that any judge of the supreme court could do it ....... As in swear in the PORK elect! Anyone with a copy of the draft? Washiku pls check your folders. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Article 141. Assumption of office of President (1) The swearing in of the President-elect shall be in public before the Chief Justice, or, in the absence of the Chief Justice, the Deputy Chief Justice. (2) The President-elect shall be sworn in on the first Tuesday following-- (a) the fourteenth day after the date of the declaration of the result of the presidential election, if no petition has been filed under Article 140; or (b) the seventh day following the date on which the court renders a decision declaring the election to be valid, if any petition has been filed under Article 140.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Angelica _ann wrote:Liv wrote:Much Know wrote:In 2013, the us CJ made an official private swearing in of Obama, followed by a symbolic public for the wanjikus, if you know about BILLS, kama umesoma about bills, you may understand why a swearing in can be facilitated asap and the one of Uhuru park, later, the official one is the most important, and if Uhuru, Justin Muturi na Maraga wakiweka kidole, hii bill inapita na pesa inatoka, that is the REAL swearing in jinga wewe!Uhuru can be sworn in SECRET na hukauna kitu utafanya, wewe unasign hizo docs wapi ama nikuona video na drama tu kama mjinga, kumbaff wewe. For your information when the three ascent to a common bill, weka katiba kando!
This is misreading. Obama missed a word in his earlier public swearing in... which was noted later after the event.
He was sworn in privately to repeat and ensure he said all the words as legally required. In Kenya the swearing of the president is described clearly in the constitution. It has to be done in a public place and during the day.
He reversed the sequence which happened first, public & private. I just laughed and decided to let it pass. Make google not goggles your friend Pole sister,but what you did is equal to "stone throwing" tactics in by books, and by the standards of most forums, but let me be the gentleman as usual and say sorry first. Ras Kienyeji Man
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