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obiero
#51 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 3:42:01 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,220
Location: nairobi
grandie wrote:
Pesa Nane- please allow me to comment on your optimism. You believe that the sale of Komarock will turn round the business so to speak. I did some extensive research on this. First of all the construction is mediocre. Leaking roofs, falling fittings and the kicker, flooded basements. Please visit the area when it is raining heavily. The prices are inflated given the location and the size of the units. Why you may ask? The subsidiary that does the construction has a huge amount of debt from the banking unit, see the balance sheets and this has exceeded CBKs cap resulting in external borrowing which is now limited. From insider sources and court documents that I reviewed, the contractor is the same contractor in most of the projects and receives unsecured lines from HFC for their very own construction! All this interest and of course side deals has forced the price to be higher than the market. The desperation is now being seen in their advertising, using Villa care for selling. Again this doesn’t make sense since they have their own real estate agency resulting in a cannibalizing structure. Finally, if you look at balance sheets of banks in other countries, lending to the real estate sector is done by special equity funds when margins are high. Why would you as a depositor be comfortable with a company which lends to this sector against other banks that lend short term secured facilities to commercial businesses that turn around the cash in a month.

@grandie is equal to Isika the jilted employee

KQ ABP 4.26
Spikes
#52 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 5:30:08 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
obiero wrote:
grandie wrote:
Pesa Nane- please allow me to comment on your optimism. You believe that the sale of Komarock will turn round the business so to speak. I did some extensive research on this. First of all the construction is mediocre. Leaking roofs, falling fittings and the kicker, flooded basements. Please visit the area when it is raining heavily. The prices are inflated given the location and the size of the units. Why you may ask? The subsidiary that does the construction has a huge amount of debt from the banking unit, see the balance sheets and this has exceeded CBKs cap resulting in external borrowing which is now limited. From insider sources and court documents that I reviewed, the contractor is the same contractor in most of the projects and receives unsecured lines from HFC for their very own construction! All this interest and of course side deals has forced the price to be higher than the market. The desperation is now being seen in their advertising, using Villa care for selling. Again this doesn’t make sense since they have their own real estate agency resulting in a cannibalizing structure. Finally, if you look at balance sheets of banks in other countries, lending to the real estate sector is done by special equity funds when margins are high. Why would you as a depositor be comfortable with a company which lends to this sector against other banks that lend short term secured facilities to commercial businesses that turn around the cash in a month.

@grandie is equal to Isika the jilted employee


@grandie is peeling back the mask at HFCK! Leave him alone for giving divergent critique and analysis.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#53 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 5:44:25 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,220
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
grandie wrote:
Pesa Nane- please allow me to comment on your optimism. You believe that the sale of Komarock will turn round the business so to speak. I did some extensive research on this. First of all the construction is mediocre. Leaking roofs, falling fittings and the kicker, flooded basements. Please visit the area when it is raining heavily. The prices are inflated given the location and the size of the units. Why you may ask? The subsidiary that does the construction has a huge amount of debt from the banking unit, see the balance sheets and this has exceeded CBKs cap resulting in external borrowing which is now limited. From insider sources and court documents that I reviewed, the contractor is the same contractor in most of the projects and receives unsecured lines from HFC for their very own construction! All this interest and of course side deals has forced the price to be higher than the market. The desperation is now being seen in their advertising, using Villa care for selling. Again this doesn’t make sense since they have their own real estate agency resulting in a cannibalizing structure. Finally, if you look at balance sheets of banks in other countries, lending to the real estate sector is done by special equity funds when margins are high. Why would you as a depositor be comfortable with a company which lends to this sector against other banks that lend short term secured facilities to commercial businesses that turn around the cash in a month.

@grandie is equal to Isika the jilted employee


@grandie is peeling back the mask at HFCK! Leave him alone for giving divergent critique and analysis.

Which mask? That's an emotional essay, with no single figure advanced.. Not the PBT, not the NPL, not the liquidity ratio, just mere ramblings of a jilted employee. HF has made people serious money at the NSE and it could rise again. I just chose not to wait, as KQ offers much faster and higher returns promise. Anyways, freedom of speech. Let @grandie give us his peni mbili which apparently states that commercial banks should not have an option for mortgage lending..

KQ ABP 4.26
Pesa Nane
#54 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 7:20:03 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/25/2012
Posts: 4,105
Location: 08c
grandie wrote:
Pesa Nane- please allow me to comment on your optimism. You believe that the sale of Komarock will turn round the business so to speak.<Not the sale... Houses are fully sold!>
I did some extensive research on this. First of all the construction is mediocre.
<Don't know about that... BUT, the houses remain SOLD>, Leaking roofs <Don't know about that... BUT, the houses remain SOLD>, falling fittings, <Don't know about that... BUT, the houses remain SOLD> and the kicker, flooded basements < Brick wall Brick wall The houses have basements??>. Please visit the area when it is raining heavily. The prices are inflated given the location and the size of the units. Why you may ask? The subsidiary that does the construction has a huge amount of debt from the banking unit, see the balance sheets and this has exceeded CBKs cap resulting in external borrowing which is now limited. From insider sources and court documents that I reviewed, the contractor is the same contractor in most of the projects and receives unsecured lines from HFC for their very own construction! All this interest and of course side deals has forced the price to be higher than the market. The desperation is now being seen in their advertising, using Villa care for selling. Again this doesn’t make sense since they have their own real estate agency resulting in a cannibalizing structure. Finally, if you look at balance sheets of banks in other countries, lending to the real estate sector is done by special equity funds when margins are high. Why would you as a depositor be comfortable with a company which lends to this sector against other banks that lend short term secured facilities to commercial businesses that turn around the cash in a month.

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
grandie
#55 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 7:36:11 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 4/21/2017
Posts: 8
There they go again. The serial abusers of Wazua. Run everyone out of town if they do not tow the line. I called you out before and will do it again.
murchr
#56 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 7:38:36 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
grandie wrote:
There they go again. The serial abusers of Wazua. Run everyone out of town if they do not tow the line. I called you out before and will do it again.


Let me ask, did you buy HFCK?

Are you under the water?

With 6 posts, what gives you the credibility to call others abusers?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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obiero
#57 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 9:58:46 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,220
Location: nairobi
murchr wrote:
grandie wrote:
There they go again. The serial abusers of Wazua. Run everyone out of town if they do not tow the line. I called you out before and will do it again.


Let me ask, did you buy HFCK?

Are you under the water?

With 6 posts, what gives you the credibility to call others abusers?

@murchr usijali. this is a qw reincarnate.. atachemka hapa siku chache kisha apotee. calling out people over what?? we don’t even known his portfolio.. smh

KQ ABP 4.26
Fyatu
#58 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 10:11:43 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
grandie wrote:
There they go again. The serial abusers of Wazua. Run everyone out of town if they do not tow the line. I called you out before and will do it again.


Be wary of the so called wazua elders
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
obiero
#59 Posted : Friday, October 27, 2017 10:18:45 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,220
Location: nairobi
Fyatu wrote:
grandie wrote:
There they go again. The serial abusers of Wazua. Run everyone out of town if they do not tow the line. I called you out before and will do it again.


Be wary of the so called wazua elders

Offer to the wazua republic meaningful content upgrade better than the so called elders, rather than this childlike tantrum. We are busy studying the market, you are busy studying people. remember great minds discuss ideas while small ones discuss people

KQ ABP 4.26
Spikes
#60 Posted : Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:57:18 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
obiero wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
grandie wrote:
There they go again. The serial abusers of Wazua. Run everyone out of town if they do not tow the line. I called you out before and will do it again.


Be wary of the so called wazua elders

Offer to the wazua republic meaningful content upgrade better than the so called elders, rather than this childlike tantrum. We are busy studying the market, you are busy studying people. remember great minds discuss ideas while small ones discuss people


So you must have moved to the lowest level of decency (small mind) to brand people clowns?
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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