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What they mean by: ‘there shall be no election’
Shak
#161 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:49:54 PM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional
Liv
#162 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:50:11 PM
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Shak wrote:
Shak wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Shak wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Will the judges meet tomorrow being a holiday? Just asking for a friend.

WAPO: The Latest: Kenya Supreme Court urged to delay elections
Excerpt:
"Kenya’s Supreme Court is to meet a day before Thursday’s repeat presidential elections to decide whether the polls should go ahead if a credible vote cannot be guaranteed.

The court will hear a case brought by three Kenyans who are urging that the elections be postponed until the electoral commission can hold free and fair elections, as is mandated by the constitution."

The letter has been addressed to the High Court. I don't think it's the supreme court hearing the case

Americans may not know the difference between supreme and high court..

Question is, who are the presiding judges of the constitutional and judicial review divisions?

Justice George Odunga and Justice Roselyn Aburili. Ok. No election on 26th


The IEBC Lawyers should first ask justice Odunga to disqualify himself as he has proved to be biased against IEBC.

Liv
#163 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:53:37 PM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.


I doubt that was the plan. He will sign today or tomorrow. The new elections will be held under the amended elections act.

Liv
#164 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:56:46 PM
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quicksand wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
I patiently wait for Maragas word tomorrow.

Meanwhile my NASWA friends have also decided they cannot go all the way and their candidate withdrew.Fares are as high as 2k one way.



Hapa iko kitu .....Pray Pray Pray Pray Think Think
I go on high alert when RAO starts acting reasonably
....the old master of subterfuge has something up his sleeve ...


Is there an instance he has acted reasonable of late? Today in ukambani he reiterated that no elections on 26th.

murchr
#165 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 7:01:32 PM
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Shak wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional



Point of Information - In the spirit of Wazua, a judge does not rule on matters that have not been brought before him. The rules take effect on 27th, elections are to take place on the 26th.

So If Odunga rules to stop elections on 26th, on the 27th the new laws take effect and it will be a new ball game altogether
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest!
#166 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 7:15:08 PM
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Mwilu's bodyguard attacked?Sad

Shot and gun taken away from him
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Lolest!
#167 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:27:06 PM
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Ati Chebukati has signed an affidavit supporting the case against Thursday elections...

Man, I wish I was reading this in a fictional book. It'd be fun. The intrigues.

But now it's me and my country
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murchr
#168 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:31:05 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Ati Chebukati has signed an affidavit supporting the case against Thursday elections...

Man, I wish I was reading this in a fictional book. It'd be fun. The intrigues.

But now it's me and my country


Why would he need to sign a petition yet he is the IEBC chair and can call off the election if need be?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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quicksand
#169 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:37:50 PM
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murchr wrote:
Shak wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional



Point of Information - In the spirit of Wazua, a judge does not rule on matters that have not been brought before him. The rules take effect on 27th, elections are to take place on the 26th.

So If Odunga rules to stop elections on 26th, on the 27th the new laws take effect and it will be a new ball game altogether

I am curious...what law he will use to stop the election? On one hand, the constitution is clear about the fresh election 60 days,...the original edict was issued by a higher court (so he has no business overturning rulings made above his paygrade) and then there is Mativo with his Orbiter Dicta stuff...you can't make a ruling based on stuff that hasn't happened as regards Chebukati and Akombe's statements,..this isn't the Minority Report,...so,..where is the zero-day exploit going to come from ? Fun times...
quicksand
#170 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:43:50 PM
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murchr wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ati Chebukati has signed an affidavit supporting the case against Thursday elections...

Man, I wish I was reading this in a fictional book. It'd be fun. The intrigues.

But now it's me and my country


Why would he need to sign a petition yet he is the IEBC chair and can call off the election if need be?

I think he will step off inside of 24 hours.
Afrocinema ohh..
murchr
#171 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:46:11 PM
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quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
Shak wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional



Point of Information - In the spirit of Wazua, a judge does not rule on matters that have not been brought before him. The rules take effect on 27th, elections are to take place on the 26th.

So If Odunga rules to stop elections on 26th, on the 27th the new laws take effect and it will be a new ball game altogether

I am curious...what law he will use to stop the election? On one hand, the constitution is clear about the fresh election 60 days,...add IEBC is the only body mandated to declare elections ..the original edict was issued by a higher court (so he has no business overturning rulings made above his paygrade) and then there is Mativo with his Orbiter Dicta stuff...you can't make a ruling based on stuff that hasn't happened as regards Chebukati and Akombe's statements,..this isn't the Minority Report,...so,..where is the zero-day exploit going to come from ? Fun times...


He might say that the elections have been stopped pending determination of the case.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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quicksand
#172 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:09:54 PM
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murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
Shak wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional



Point of Information - In the spirit of Wazua, a judge does not rule on matters that have not been brought before him. The rules take effect on 27th, elections are to take place on the 26th.

So If Odunga rules to stop elections on 26th, on the 27th the new laws take effect and it will be a new ball game altogether

I am curious...what law he will use to stop the election? On one hand, the constitution is clear about the fresh election 60 days,...add IEBC is the only body mandated to declare elections ..the original edict was issued by a higher court (so he has no business overturning rulings made above his paygrade) and then there is Mativo with his Orbiter Dicta stuff...you can't make a ruling based on stuff that hasn't happened as regards Chebukati and Akombe's statements,..this isn't the Minority Report,...so,..where is the zero-day exploit going to come from ? Fun times...


He might say that the elections have been stopped pending determination of the case.

Unbelievable stuff...so,...what are we talking here? A new general election, all elective posts? Surely there must be some in Nasa who are definitely not looking forward to such an eventuality having spent millions and won?
Lolest!
#173 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:19:45 PM
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Africa is tired of our high velocity breaking news
Quote:
BBC Africa should change its name to Kenya News


From BBC Africa fb page. From a guy who's most likely Sierra Leonean
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#174 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:35:28 PM
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Commonwealth has withdrawn its observers due to security fears
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murchr
#175 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:43:03 PM
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quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
Shak wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional



Point of Information - In the spirit of Wazua, a judge does not rule on matters that have not been brought before him. The rules take effect on 27th, elections are to take place on the 26th.

So If Odunga rules to stop elections on 26th, on the 27th the new laws take effect and it will be a new ball game altogether

I am curious...what law he will use to stop the election? On one hand, the constitution is clear about the fresh election 60 days,...add IEBC is the only body mandated to declare elections ..the original edict was issued by a higher court (so he has no business overturning rulings made above his paygrade) and then there is Mativo with his Orbiter Dicta stuff...you can't make a ruling based on stuff that hasn't happened as regards Chebukati and Akombe's statements,..this isn't the Minority Report,...so,..where is the zero-day exploit going to come from ? Fun times...


He might say that the elections have been stopped pending determination of the case.


Unbelievable stuff...so,...what are we talking here? A new general election, all elective posts? Surely there must be some in Nasa who are definitely not looking forward to such an eventuality having spent millions and won?


I don't think he has the power to nullify the whole election but can stop this one.

Interesting days ahead
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#176 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:29:23 PM
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murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
quicksand wrote:
murchr wrote:
Shak wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
the Star wrote:

The controversial Election Laws (Amendment) Bill 2017 will come into force on Friday, with or without President Uhuru Kenyatta's assent, Aden Duale has said.

The National Assembly majority leader this will be the case as 14 days will have lapsed since the legislation was passed in Parliament.

Duale told The Star on Tuesday that Uhuru has the options of returning the Bill to Parliament with a memorandum for changes or signing it before Friday, failure of which it automatically takes effect.


This was Uhuru's plan all along. Very clever I must say. Looks like Jubilee has clever lawyers too after all.

What's the point? On Wednesday the courts will rule that there will be no election. The same courts can also rule that the new election laws are unconstitutional



Point of Information - In the spirit of Wazua, a judge does not rule on matters that have not been brought before him. The rules take effect on 27th, elections are to take place on the 26th.

So If Odunga rules to stop elections on 26th, on the 27th the new laws take effect and it will be a new ball game altogether

I am curious...what law he will use to stop the election? On one hand, the constitution is clear about the fresh election 60 days,...add IEBC is the only body mandated to declare elections ..the original edict was issued by a higher court (so he has no business overturning rulings made above his paygrade) and then there is Mativo with his Orbiter Dicta stuff...you can't make a ruling based on stuff that hasn't happened as regards Chebukati and Akombe's statements,..this isn't the Minority Report,...so,..where is the zero-day exploit going to come from ? Fun times...


He might say that the elections have been stopped pending determination of the case.


Unbelievable stuff...so,...what are we talking here? A new general election, all elective posts? Surely there must be some in Nasa who are definitely not looking forward to such an eventuality having spent millions and won?


I don't think he has the power to nullify the whole election but can stop this one.

Interesting days ahead

He can't stop the election, theres no basis in law to do that. Constitution reigns supreme
murchr
#177 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:36:54 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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innairobi
#178 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:40:37 PM
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limanika
#179 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:41:50 PM
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murchr wrote:

Did they book the venue? Such rally after end of official campaign period is illegal and should not be allowed.
innairobi
#180 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:41:53 PM
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